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Hello!

I'm thinking of upgrading my current amp (Fender G-DEC Jr), and get something much better.

What I'm looking for is an amp for home use (apartment), and I was thinking of getting a valve amp, but they get really loud, so I'm not sure if it would be wise getting a real good 33W-60W tube amp if I'm not going to be able to make the valves break without having my neighbors want to kill me...

I'm open to any suggestions, solid state and hybrids welcome too, as long as they really have a nice sound that is so much better than my current Fender to justify the upgrade.

I'd also like the amp to be suitable for any style, from blues to metal, of course I consider adding any stomp box that might be needed.

So far I've though about many, many possibilities, with a huge variety of price ranges. I don't mind waiting a little bit to save enough as long as the amp is really worth it. There are many awesome valve amps out there, but they have too much power for home use, and I've heard that attenuators eat the tone, so that might not be an option.

5-15W tube amps rarely have a 12'' cone, which is something I was kind of hoping to get.

I thought about:

Fender Blues Junior: Already quite loud, I'm afraid it won't suit metal even with a stomp box/multi-fx in front
Blackheart Little Giant: Have never tried one, heard good reviews though.
Roland Cube 60: Might be too loud? But it's solid state. Is it really worth upgrading from a cheap Fender to this? Not sure...
Fender Champ 600: Nice, but not so much for heavy, plus the cone is so small...
Ibanez valbee: The same as the fender champ 600
Fender Super Champ: Seems really nice, but being Fender might not be good at high gain settings. Not really looking for another modeling amp either.
VOX AD50VT112: Not sure if these ones are reliable, I read may of them fail after some time. Again not really looking for another modeling amp.
Vox Ac30/Fender twin reverb/Fender Deluxe reverb: Expensive, awesome cleans, too loud, maybe not suitable for high gain stuff?

As you can see they are all quite different, some are good in their cleans, some are awesome but too loud, some are suitable for high gain... but none seems to be the perfect buy. mellow.gif
Of all those maybe the Little Giant is the best choice to play at home. But maybe there are many other models much better.

So, what versatile & quality amp would you get for home use?

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Maybe Marshall AVT50 or Randall RG75DG3 G3 ... smile.gif


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Is that the same as the Marshall AVT50XT ?

I'll check it out.


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You want no more than a 50W solid state or 30W tube for home use in my opinion. I have a 50 W tube amp and it is too loud for home use.


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Thanks O.C. I'll keep that in mind.

Both amps Bogdan suggested look awesome, but the randall is 75W, might be way too much power. Though a solid state amp should deliver great tone even at volume 1 right?


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QUOTE (Fran @ May 19 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Thanks O.C. I'll keep that in mind.

Both amps Bogdan suggested look awesome, but the randall is 75W, might be way too much power. Though a solid state amp should deliver great tone even at volume 1 right?

On thinking about it I can heavily recommend an Orange amp for home use. My mate has one and it sounds great at low volumes and you can get that metal sound and also a cool bluesy sound.


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 19 2008, 03:36 PM) *
You want no more than a 50W solid state or 30W tube for home use in my opinion. I have a 50 W tube amp and it is too loud for home use.


IF you only want it for home use then I'd agree with OC that a 50W tube will be way too loud for home use - partly since tube amps only arguably start to sound their best when run flat out. I'd suggest more 5-15W would give a reasonable volume without making you go deaf. If you can only get a tube amp over 30W then I think you really need to think about attenuation/power soaking of some sort or look at those where you can switch between pentode and triode to reduce W's.

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Something like this

http://www.orange-amps.com/products.asp?Ac...=View&ID=70

It has a 12" speaker also smile.gif

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QUOTE (Fran @ May 19 2008, 03:43 PM) *
...Though a solid state amp should deliver great tone even at volume 1 right?


Yes Fran - tube amps need to run hot but Trannies tend to be able to produce their particular sound across their volume range.

Minor note - power soaks/attenuation doesn't work on trannies btw.

Might be worth looking at a hybrid - tube pre and a tranny power in this case - I think Carvin and Randall do them. That way you could use low volume at home and still have power if you went out gigging?

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I use 2 different amps in my home depending on situation. The Marshall AVT series is great is use the AVT100 and have done it for some years now (no complaining from neighbours tongue.gif ) I also use an old Roland Cube 20 the orange one, the new series in black cubes the 20, 40 and 60 are good amps too i know, so i can only recommand any of these 4 wink.gif



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Orange Tiny Terror and PPC112, I have 1 and it is just about starting to sing at apartment levels.

Zvex Nano: Even lower wattage so should be coming to life at pretty low volume.


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I really like the 'PEAVEY ENVOY 110' Its an hybrid amp with an awesome clean sound.
You can change between three modes per channel, which gives you 6 different modes.
In the distortion channel, you can choose between: classic, modern, highgain.
In the clean channel you can select, vintage, classsic, and warm.
The amp comes with a reverb effect as well. It is really capable of producing hard metal sounds(thats the reason I bought it) and really clean to bluesy sounds.
For 200€(185€ for British customers) you get an awesome amp. In my opinion it is the best solution if you want to practise at home.
I am going to review it soon.

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QUOTE (Fran @ May 19 2008, 05:43 PM) *
Thanks O.C. I'll keep that in mind.

Both amps Bogdan suggested look awesome, but the randall is 75W, might be way too much power. Though a solid state amp should deliver great tone even at volume 1 right?


Yeah it should sound cool on low volumes too smile.gif I don't know , extra power may come in handy in future wink.gif


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I am looking for a similar amp and so far I am really liking this one...(Kustom HV30 or Kustom HV65). It comes with a solid state power amp and a 12ax7 tube preamp. Both models come with a 12" Celestion speaker.

Guitar World did a review (link below) of the KV65 and it really seems great for its price point.

http://www.kustom.com/player.aspx?MediaID=1130

And here is Guitar One's review of the KV30...

http://www.kustom.com/player.aspx?MediaID=1133

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It's kinda mentioned above, but you definitely aren't limited to combo units when you're looking for small tube amps.

The "hot" small tube amps now are the Blackheart Little Giant and the Epiphone Valve Jr. Their head versions have a 4/8/16 ohm outputs so you can drive a variety of cabinets with them. 5 watts so they can get loud, but aren't hugely too loud with a smaller cabinet when cranked.

These two have the advantage of being real cheap and easily modifiable if you want, and not too scary to do because of their price. I just snagged a clean EVJ for $90 on ebay. Looking for a cab to run it through now.

If I wasn't worried about price, I'd be all about the Orange Tiny Terror. High quality, great sound, 15 watts. Has that Orange sound to it. yummy. They're like $600 though.


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Blackheart is perfect for apartment use imo, possibly even still a little too loud. At 5watts with the volume past 12 o'clock I'm starting to shake the walls in my practice room.

Another possibility if you're at all mechanically inclined would potentially be a Gilmore Jr. or Ardmore from www.guytronix.com. Both sound amazing and are designed for apartment level playing as well as recording.


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I have AVT50XT and it does sound thin in bedroom volumes. You do need to crank it. Also the Randall has great cleans, but the drive is little synthetic if you ask me. If you need a tube amp, I would definitely tryout Blackheart or Orange Tiny Terror.


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wow, loads of input here, thanks guys cool.gif

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 19 2008, 05:49 PM) *
Something like this
http://www.orange-amps.com/products.asp?Ac...=View&ID=70
It has a 12" speaker also smile.gif


That one looks really good, but hearing that even the Blackheart 5W gets a bit too loud for apartment use I guess it will be a bit overkill, damn sometimes I wish I lived in an abandoned house in the middle of the forest laugh.gif


QUOTE (tonymiro @ May 19 2008, 05:52 PM) *
Might be worth looking at a hybrid - tube pre and a tranny power in this case - I think Carvin and Randall do them. That way you could use low volume at home and still have power if you went out gigging?


I'm researching some VOX and I believe the Randall Bogdan suggested is hybrid with a tube driven MOSFET power circuit. Too may watts though.


QUOTE (buttmonk @ May 19 2008, 06:14 PM) *
Orange Tiny Terror and PPC112, I have 1 and it is just about starting to sing at apartment levels.
Zvex Nano: Even lower wattage so should be coming to life at pretty low volume.


This one is similar to the one O.C. suggested. The tiny terror seems cool with the 15W/7W switch. I wonder if it has nice cleans. I've never seen an Orange amp in my local shop, I wish i could try one.


QUOTE (Skalde @ May 19 2008, 06:34 PM) *
I really like the 'PEAVEY ENVOY 110' Its an hybrid amp with an awesome clean sound.


I believe I've see this one in shops, might give it a trt, though its a 10'' cone, and for some reason I'm stubborn about the 12''.


QUOTE (M-P @ May 19 2008, 07:08 PM) *
I am looking for a similar amp and so far I am really liking this one...(Kustom HV30 or Kustom HV65). It comes with a solid state power amp and a 12ax7 tube preamp. Both models come with a 12" Celestion speaker.


Wow, didn't know about Kustom amps, and they come wit 12'' celestion speakers? Nice. never seenan amp with such a good cone so cheap. Will have to ask in my local shop if they can get one to try it.


QUOTE (Scott Gentzen @ May 19 2008, 07:58 PM) *
The "hot" small tube amps now are the Blackheart Little Giant and the Epiphone Valve Jr. Their head versions have a 4/8/16 ohm outputs so you can drive a variety of cabinets with them. 5 watts so they can get loud, but aren't hugely too loud with a smaller cabinet when cranked.


Blackheart is a solid candidate. Shame I can't try one, if I order it online it will be a leap of faith, though they are cheap. EVjr seems to be the perfect amp to tweak, BUT, I don't know much about tweaking, so it's out of the list. Besides I don't think it handles metal very well, though I heard it's cleans and they are nice. Small cone too.


QUOTE (Strungout180 @ May 19 2008, 08:01 PM) *
Blackheart is perfect for apartment use imo, possibly even still a little too loud. At 5watts with the volume past 12 o'clock I'm starting to shake the walls in my practice room.
Another possibility if you're at all mechanically inclined would potentially be a Gilmore Jr. or Ardmore from www.guytronix.com. Both sound amazing and are designed for apartment level playing as well as recording.

Those guytronix certainly look different, remind me of some expensive boutique small tubes I've seen reviewed in the past. Too special, looking for something more "standard".


QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ May 19 2008, 08:05 PM) *
I have AVT50XT and it does sound thin in bedroom volumes. You do need to crank it. Also the Randall has great cleans, but the drive is little synthetic if you ask me. If you need a tube amp, I would definitely tryout Blackheart or Orange Tiny Terror.


A shame! AVT50XT really was a solid candidate along with the Blackheart and the Tiny terror so far. If only my local shop would bring all three so I could try them out!


Oh well, my head is going to explode. Better eat some dinner and think about it later wink.gif
At least I have a cool list of amps in my pocket now tongue.gif


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Well you definitly got a good list smile.gif Now if you could go to store to test some amps , and you can play them at low volume to see how they sound to you that way smile.gif


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QUOTE (Scott Gentzen @ May 19 2008, 07:58 PM) *
It's kinda mentioned above, but you definitely aren't limited to combo units when you're looking for small tube amps.

The "hot" small tube amps now are the Blackheart Little Giant and the Epiphone Valve Jr. Their head versions have a 4/8/16 ohm outputs so you can drive a variety of cabinets with them. 5 watts so they can get loud, but aren't hugely too loud with a smaller cabinet when cranked.

These two have the advantage of being real cheap and easily modifiable if you want, and not too scary to do because of their price. I just snagged a clean EVJ for $90 on ebay. Looking for a cab to run it through now.

If I wasn't worried about price, I'd be all about the Orange Tiny Terror. High quality, great sound, 15 watts. Has that Orange sound to it. yummy. They're like $600 though.

This is what I would recomend too.
I was going to buy a Fender Blues Jr. I boought the Blackheart BH5 because it was so cheap just to have some fun with it while waiting to buy the Fender. I have no urge for the Fender anymore.

I don't know your neighbours and I can't guess how loud you think loud is, but even the Blackheart is really loud.


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