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post Jun 5 2008, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (g-forcelover @ Jun 5 2008, 04:08 PM) *
I would go back to the civil war with a Machine gun, go up to one of the battles, and just walk out in front and win the battle while everyone stares in amazment.or i would go back an teach the cavemen guitar. tongue.gif



They would stare at amazement at how anyone could have been that foolish. While it may be true that Indigenous Americans had a taboo against harming the insane, there was no such taboo among civil war soldiers.

I would suggest that it would be a better idea to wait until you had a time machine big enough to carry a well armored tank.
Fire power in the civil war was substantial. They didn't have 50,000 casualties out of 150,000 involved at Gettysburg because either side lacked fire power. The rifled musket and minie ball (used by both sides) was actually quite deadly, very accurate accurate at 300 yards, would put a hole in you the size of a good sized orange. But the cannon barrage would have left you nothing but a grease spot long before you got that close.

BTW, was not called minie ball because it was small, it was .50 caliber.
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post Jun 6 2008, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 5 2008, 11:58 PM) *
They would stare at amazement at how anyone could have been that foolish. While it may be true that Indigenous Americans had a taboo against harming the insane, there was no such taboo among civil war soldiers.

I would suggest that it would be a better idea to wait until you had a time machine big enough to carry a well armored tank.
Fire power in the civil war was substantial. They didn't have 50,000 casualties out of 150,000 involved at Gettysburg because either side lacked fire power. The rifled musket and minie ball (used by both sides) was actually quite deadly, very accurate accurate at 300 yards, would put a hole in you the size of a good sized orange. But the cannon barrage would have left you nothing but a grease spot long before you got that close.

BTW, was not called minie ball because it was small, it was .50 caliber.


Gatling gun, anyone?
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post Jun 7 2008, 04:46 AM
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By the way, Fkalich, I agree with you about the firepower used by soldiers in the Civil War. You see that I alluded to the Gatling Gun, a scary piece of firepower. My father is a Civil War buff, he owns hundreds of volumes on the subject. In fact, he also owns a .58 caliber musket, and a Spencer carbine .52 caliber. That style of setpiece warfare was insane! Back in the day, it was the 'honorable' way to conduct battle. Snipers were looked on with disdain as cowards. I thought they were the only ones with any sense! Warfare has evolved, somewhat...I just hope we continue to evolve our way out of commiting such atrocious acts of violence. Unfortunately, it sometimes has to be done, but that's another topic of discussion...oh yeah, almost forgot, I went to your personal page and noticed that you were a cat lover too. I love the names of your cats. I have one named GiGi. Animals have alot to offer, don't you think? My cat has given me great comfort over the years, she's precious to me...

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post Jun 8 2008, 02:55 AM
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If I could go back (as opposed to going forward), I would take back like crazy military technology, make the Confederacy win the Civil War, for example, go back to present day, see how things are, if I didn't like them, go back and not do the actions, so that history rolls out normally. I would do this with all wars until I had designed the world I liked.


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go back in time and hang out with jimi hendrix, jam and party with him and his groupies.... biggrin.gif

QUOTE (g-forcelover @ Jun 5 2008, 10:08 PM) *
I would go back to the civil war with a Machine gun, go up to one of the battles, and just walk out in front and win the battle while everyone stares in amazment.or i would go back an teach the cavemen guitar. tongue.gif


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post Jun 8 2008, 11:59 AM
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If I could travel back in time I would go back to whenever gas was cheap! Here in Norway it's frickin' 13 NOK per liter! Which is aproximatly 11 US dollars a gallon

I could just turn my car into the car in Back To The Future, and just travel back in time everytime I needed to refill tongue.gif

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post Jun 8 2008, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (erik @ Jun 8 2008, 11:59 AM) *
If I could travel back in time I would go back to whenever gas was cheap! Here in Norway it's frickin' 13 NOK per liter! Which is aproximatly 11 US dollars a gallon

I could just turn my car into the car in Back To The Future, and just travel back in time everytime I needed to refill tongue.gif


Holy sh*t! And I thought U.S. gas was bad at $4.00 a gallon, well I guess it is still kinda similar since your guys' salaries and money spent on consumer goods is probably proportional to ours. Good idea though, I would go back in time, get like 100,000 gallons of gas, and come back and sell it for $3.00 a gallon, which people would kill for.


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QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Jun 8 2008, 11:35 AM) *
Holy sh*t! And I thought U.S. gas was bad at $4.00 a gallon, well I guess it is still kinda similar since your guys' salaries and money spent on consumer goods is probably proportional to ours. Good idea though, I would go back in time, get like 100,000 gallons of gas, and come back and sell it for $3.00 a gallon, which people would kill for.


Not true!

In the US we have it great believe it or not! Even at $4 a gallon I just laugh and fill up the SUV - gas was twice this price in the UK when I moved over so it just doesn't upset me. One of the reaons I moved to the US is that the cost of living gives us more disposable income smile.gif


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I think gas/petrol is about 1.25 per litre in the UK currently - so about 5.63 pounds sterling a gallon or just over 11USD. Salaries in the UK are usually something like 60% of the US equivalent. To put that into perspective the UK equivalent gallon, factoring for salary differences, is 18.56 Dollars - about 4.5 times the cost in the US. So all in all people who live in the UK get hit from every angle.

In the UK the tax on fuel is something like 70% of the price so fuel comparisons UK to US is difficult as the US tax levy is much smaller. Another way of looking at comparative cost differences though is how much a Big Mac costs:

As of @ June 2008 US it's 3.10 USD; UK 1.95 Sterling or about 3.90USD - now factor for salary difference and it's 6.5USD or just over twice the relative cost in the US. So basically the cost of living is double in the UK compared to the US.

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jun 8 2008, 05:28 PM) *
I think gas/petrol is about 1.25 per litre in the UK currently - so about 5.63 pounds sterling a gallon or just over 11USD. Salaries in the UK are usually something like 60% of the US equivalent. To put that into perspective the UK equivalent gallon, factoring for salary differences, is 18.56 Dollars - about 4.5 times the cost in the US. So all in all people who live in the UK get hit from every angle.

In the UK the tax on fuel is something like 70% of the price so fuel comparisons UK to US is difficult as the US tax levy is much smaller. Another way of looking at comparative cost differences though is how much a Big Mac costs:

As of @ June 2008 US it's 3.10 USD; UK 1.95 Sterling or about 3.90USD - now factor for salary difference and it's 6.5USD or just over twice the relative cost in the US. So basically the cost of living is double in the UK compared to the US.

Cheers,
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Yea but the UK's public transportation system is far more expanded, and advanced, whereas the U.S. may have a subway system in some big cities, but here everyone wants their own personal car, so if I lived over there I would definately be looking into some public transporation to go EVERYWHERE.


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post Jun 8 2008, 09:13 PM
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I'd go back to the Egyptian time, have a chat with the Pharaoh dude, raid some graves and get as much gold/silver/platinum as possible. Then travel to a very remote place and bury it all very far down, when I travel back to the present I can simply find where I buried it all and become an instant billionaire. I'd sell it all on the black market and not tell anyone, just friends. This way I would not become famous and constantly be harassed by the media and public.

Although this whole plan would probably destroy the whole gold market and possibly the economy, it would be worth it. smile.gif
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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Jun 5 2008, 05:08 PM) *
I would travel back to the viking-age with my guitar and marshall rig and get a real viking-metal band together smile.gif


god that would be epic..

I think i would travel back in time tell myself to not play hockey( it consumed 10 years of my life) and to play more guitar and not waste my money on stupid things while i was living at home, when you live by yourself every can of soup is precious ( at least to me ), and if i went back really far, id for sure go back to the 1800's and become a pirate.

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I was thinking about time travel and stuff though...surely if time travel was invented in the next 100 years or so we should know about it, shouldn't we? I'll explain...

If time travel had been invented someone must of come back to this time and left some sort of evidence or something that would show us that they have travelled time. Maybe millions of years into the future time travelling could be used by the public as a holiday or vacation of some sort (yes, I watch family guy), there would always be some idiot who tries to tell people in the past about the future or try and stop a major disaster.

Some theories of time travel involve a space ship of some sort to travel through a portal (not sure on details), so maybe people have attempted to travel to this time, but the government are just keeping it a secret!


Anyway...none of that probably makes sense as I fail at explaining things that I think about, but oh well. tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Sam Hook @ Jun 8 2008, 10:29 PM) *
I was thinking about time travel and stuff though...surely if time travel was invented in the next 100 years or so we should know about it, shouldn't we? I'll explain...

If time travel had been invented someone must of come back to this time and left some sort of evidence or something that would show us that they have travelled time. Maybe millions of years into the future time travelling could be used by the public as a holiday or vacation of some sort (yes, I watch family guy), there would always be some idiot who tries to tell people in the past about the future or try and stop a major disaster.

Some theories of time travel involve a space ship of some sort to travel through a portal (not sure on details), so maybe people have attempted to travel to this time, but the government are just keeping it a secret!


Anyway...none of that probably makes sense as I fail at explaining things that I think about, but oh well. tongue.gif


You know, Sam, you could be right. I happen to believe that we have been, and still are, visited from time to time. If you go outside at night, and look up at the sky, you see countless possibilities for the existence of other lifeforms. I don't know if we're visited by way of time travel, or by other means. I've read where the Hubble space telescope can view distances up to 40 billion light years! Can you imagine the amount of solar systems that could be floating around out there? Statistically speaking, there's no way that we are the only intelligent life in the universe. Actually, I'm being generous when I describe us as intelligent. We only use 10% of our brains. We have a long way to go. I'm sure there is life out there that is further along than we are. That explains the UFO phenomenon. I just hope we give ourselves a chance to evolve further. I think it's going to take a while...


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QUOTE (FrankW @ Jun 8 2008, 09:59 PM) *
I think it's going to take a while...


You could be right wink.gif But at least the human race has discovered the guitar, that has to be a step in the right direction!

I believe as well that we are "not alone" but I also suspect that the chances of 2 intelligent races finding each other are on the low side, much as I would love that to happen!

On the subject of time travel, its an interesting fact that nothing in the basic equations of physics as we currently understand them forbids time travel in either direction. At the very basic quantum level, many events have alternative interpretations involving particles traveling in time. In fact, when building a world out of these very equations, it is a huge mystery why time flows in a particular direction at all - the best explanation we currently have revolves around entropy, and the ordered state of the universe just after the big bang.

Scaling that up, and moving into Einsteinian physics is actually a discontinuity until we have a unified theorem for Quantum gravity, however, Einsteinian physics suggests a few different ways in which time travel might be possible, most revolving around black holes - theoretically possible but technologically way beyond us.

Of course, time travel into the future is possible - we all do it, at the rate of 1 day per day wink.gif This can be increased if you travel at a significant percentage of the speed of light, and this has been experimentally verified using atomic clocks on planes. The effect is tiny at speeds that we can realistically obtain with current technology, but that is perhaps our best shot for time travel forwards. Time travel backwards remains extremely challenging though not forbidden by theory.

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On a philosophical level time is more complicated then the simple, linear clock time of Newton. It isn't just the standard accretion of seconds in to minutes in to hours... There is also time that we experience: when you're bored time slows to a crawl, when you're happy and enjoying yourself it flies by. For someone missing their absent loved one it becomes an eternity to endure. None of that is clock time but a time that we intuit. There is furthermore Time (with a capital 'T') as the temporal container of all times without which there would be no experienced time and no clock time. All of these were discussed by Henri Bergson - a philosopher who was also a contemporary of Einstein.

If you follow through on Bergson one thing he is very clear about is that thinking time as 'clock time' spatialises it. From this we can say that it is this spatialisation that defers the possibility of time travel because each moment becomes infinitely separate. Time as what we intuit though returns us to the possibility that time is not a series of separate discrete moments but more an indivisible whole - each moment bleeds in to the next. With intuited time all times are present in every moment - hence there is the possibility of time travel. We do it every moment - we remember the past and we look forward to the future.

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Philosophy vs Physics - 2 completely different (and complementary) views of the same thing!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jun 9 2008, 02:34 PM) *
Philosophy vs Physics - 2 completely different (and complementary) views of the same thing!

That is what the whole of the TV show Lost is about. That's why I love it so much. Man Of Science, Man Of Faith smile.gif It's awesome.

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QUOTE (Sam Hook @ Jun 8 2008, 11:29 PM) *
I was thinking about time travel and stuff though...surely if time travel was invented in the next 100 years or so we should know about it, shouldn't we? I'll explain...

If time travel had been invented someone must of come back to this time and left some sort of evidence or something that would show us that they have travelled time. Maybe millions of years into the future time travelling could be used by the public as a holiday or vacation of some sort (yes, I watch family guy), there would always be some idiot who tries to tell people in the past about the future or try and stop a major disaster.

Some theories of time travel involve a space ship of some sort to travel through a portal (not sure on details), so maybe people have attempted to travel to this time, but the government are just keeping it a secret!


Anyway...none of that probably makes sense as I fail at explaining things that I think about, but oh well. tongue.gif



I read about time traveling once in a science magazine. It actually explained the theory pretty good, but I can't quite remember it.. But it did say that for future people to travel back in time to for instance us in 2008, is physicly imposible. One can only travel back to a time to After the time machine is invented for some reason. I wish I still had that magazine.. because I remember there being a very logical explanation to that. So it's possible to travel back in time, but not to a time before the time machine excists.
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