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post Jun 4 2008, 10:51 PM
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Just to set the record straight for anybody that is interested: be it a Floyd, or Kahler, or the standard strat 'wang bar', the proper terminology is vibrato bar...not tremolo. Vibrato refers to the changing of pitch, while tremolo; which you can find on some amps, like old Fenders, and as a stomp box, is a rapid repetition of a note. In fact, you rarely hear the use of tremolo, I haven't heard it in a long time. Just FYI...
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post Jun 4 2008, 11:26 PM
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post Jun 5 2008, 02:03 PM
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Thanks for the input! Since english isn't my first language and I just call it "svaj" in swedish (~swing back and forth) so I looked it up. I found that Tremolo does make sence too. And even Floyd Rose use the term "Tremolo" in their homepage.

Right or wrong, I'll keep calling it "svaj", or "tremolo". Hoping to affect and change the english language wink.gif


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tremolo – shaking; i.e., a rapid repetition of the same note, or an alternation between two or more notes. It can also be intended (inaccurately) to mean a rapid and repetitive variation in pitch for the duration of a note (see vibrato). It is notated by a strong diagonal bar across the note stem, or a detached bar for a set of notes (or stemless notes).


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post Jun 5 2008, 09:42 PM
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From Wikipedia
It can also be intended (inaccurately) to mean a rapid and repetitive variation in pitch for the duration of a note (see vibrato). It is notated by a strong diagonal bar across the note stem, or a detached bar for a set of notes (or stemless notes).[/quote]


This quote from Wikipedia was the point I was trying to make, though.

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post Jun 5 2008, 10:07 PM
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Interestingly enough, the old amps you mentioned in your original post - Fenders they were, called their tremolo function "Vibrato", so now the confusion is complete!


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Very true Andrew - it's one of the joys of a living language, how words escape its original meaning and usage over time - sort of, 'You say potato and I say potatoe'... To try to hypostasise a language - as arguably the French government did recently in 'banning' Americanisms in French - just doesn't work; language develops and is permeable.

Similarly I already see an awful lot of 'txtspeak' slipping into dissertations rolleyes.gif . I don't have a problem with this provided the writer also doesn't mind my docking them % for doing so wink.gif . (And yes I have awarded more than one dissertation a final minus % mark laugh.gif .)

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post Jun 5 2008, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jun 5 2008, 10:07 PM) *
Interestingly enough, the old amps you mentioned in your original post - Fenders they were, called their tremolo function "Vibrato", so now the confusion is complete!



But, by definition, vibrato refers to the variance of pitch...those "vibrato" features on amps do not vary pitch. They simply repeat the same note at an adjustable rate of speed.

from Wikipedia:

Vibrato and tremolo
The terms vibrato and tremolo are sometimes used interchangeably or inappropriately, although the strict definitions of each describe them as separate effects: vibrato is a periodic variation in the pitch (frequency) of a musical note, whereas tremolo usually refers to periodic variations in the volume (amplitude) of a musical note.
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As far as I'm aware it all started because someone had a patent on either the word tremolo or vibrato, I forget which now, which forced fender to name their things differently.


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post Jun 5 2008, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Jun 5 2008, 10:46 PM) *
As far as I'm aware it all started because someone had a patent on either the word tremolo or vibrato, I forget which now, which forced fender to name their things differently.



excerpt from the NPR Classical Music Companion:

Vibrato, from the Italian word for "shaken," or "vibrated," is both a technique and an effect. The technique, used by violinists, violists, cellists, and double bass players, is to rock the fingers of the left hand rapidly back and forth on the strings as notes are played. The effect is a small, regular, up-and-down fluctuation in pitch for each vibrated note

Another clarification:
Tremolo and Vibrato
By Art Reblitz

"Tremolo," as defined in professional music dictionaries including
"The Harvard Dictionary of Music" by Willi Apel, is the rapid
reiteration (or repetition) of the same tone, produced by rapidly
reversing the bow on stringed instruments.

"Vibrato" is the fluctuation of pitch. Apel admits that while this
is the standard terminology for orchestral instruments, vocalists are
somewhat confused about usage and sometimes use "tremolo" when they
mean "vibrato."




My Fender catalog even refers to their 'wang bars' as tremolos. That is an incorrect usage of the term...interesting.

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post Jun 5 2008, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Jun 5 2008, 05:27 PM) *
But, by definition, vibrato refers to the variance of pitch...those "vibrato" features on amps do not vary pitch. They simply repeat the same note at an adjustable rate of speed.


That was pretty much my point ...


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post Jun 5 2008, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jun 5 2008, 11:38 PM) *
That was pretty much my point ...


So, I hope I cleared up the confusion!
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post Jun 6 2008, 12:03 AM
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always play with arm. never vibrator


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post Jun 6 2008, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (Mr GuitarTube @ Jun 6 2008, 12:03 AM) *
always play with arm. never vibrator


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post Jun 6 2008, 12:21 AM
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Actually i've heard the term trem bar and tremelo bar more often than vibrato bar, i rarely ever hear vibrato bar. Even more so, since its more used for dive bombs and abstract sounds, its probably called the whammy bar more often than the trem or tremelo bar.
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post Jun 6 2008, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE (Mr GuitarTube @ Jun 6 2008, 01:03 AM) *
always play with arm. never vibrator


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Whammy bar is fine tho biggrin.gif


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The point of my initial post was to clear the air regarding the correct terminology. It doesn't matter to me what anybody calls the thing. I've just seen the term(s) misused enough to warrant a posting. Even guitar and amplifier companies don't get the terminology correct, sometimes. This question has arisen in the past...I remember reading about it in Guitar Player magazine months back. I just thought some people might want to know...

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It is called a tremolo bar because Fender Company patented it under the name of "Tremolo" system when they built a Strat. So it stayed Tremolo eversince. Story over.. smile.gif


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I use to call it "palanca" in spanish tongue.gif (it means LEVER)


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I just call it the "drunk-stick", because whenever i use it, it sounds like a drunk guy playing.


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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Jun 6 2008, 09:22 AM) *
I just call it the "drunk-stick", because whenever i use it, it sounds like a drunk guy playing.

laugh.gif I will concider to start calling it either "drunk stick" or what Mr Guitar Tube said - "vibrator"

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