Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Jimmy Page Style Lessons
Outlaw2112
post Jun 9 2008, 05:29 AM
Post #1


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.881
Joined: 16-January 08
From: Washington DC
Member No.: 3.852



Does anyone wanna try some jimmy page style lessons?... his riffs to solo styles have influenced many guitarists, could probably do quite a few lessons in his style


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fkalich
post Jun 9 2008, 05:52 AM
Post #2


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.713
Joined: 12-February 07
From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas
Member No.: 1.189



QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Jun 8 2008, 11:29 PM) *
Does anyone wanna try some jimmy page style lessons?... his riffs to solo styles have influenced many guitarists, could probably do quite a few lessons in his style


Muris wrote that Page did not have a unique style, so he is not worthy. Even being arguably the most influential guitarist of all time. I would think they would have one as a tribute to him if nothing else. Just so long as it does not sound like Stairway to Heaven. I am in general against capital punishment, but in the case of someone playing Stairway to Heaven, I would consider it, as mercy killing if nothing else.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Andrew Cockburn
post Jun 9 2008, 01:16 PM
Post #3


Moderation Policy Director
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 10.459
Joined: 6-February 07
From: CT, USA
Member No.: 1.167



QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 9 2008, 12:52 AM) *
I would consider it, as mercy killing if nothing else.


laugh.gif Its always the deadpan humour that cracks me up with you fkalich! I'm always trying to figure out if you are joking, or if perhaps, somewhere on a wall in a house in Kansas there are a bunch of mounted guitarists heads with a plaque undeneath that reads "No Stairway" !


--------------------
Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ...

My Stuff:

Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass
Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon
Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood
Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Gabriel Leopardi
post Jun 9 2008, 01:41 PM
Post #4


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 28.099
Joined: 3-March 07
From: Argentina
Member No.: 1.289



I'll consider doing a lesson in his style. wink.gif Give me some time to get something really cool.


--------------------
My lessons

Do you need a Guitar Plan?
Join Gab's Army

Check my band:Cirse
Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud

Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
audiopaal
post Jun 9 2008, 02:01 PM
Post #5


Competitions Coordinator - Up the Irons
Group Icon

Group: GMC Senior
Posts: 5.447
Joined: 17-February 08
From: Stavanger, Norway
Member No.: 4.276



QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 9 2008, 06:52 AM) *
Muris wrote that Page did not have a unique style, so he is not worthy. Even being arguably the most influential guitarist of all time. I would think they would have one as a tribute to him if nothing else. Just so long as it does not sound like Stairway to Heaven. I am in general against capital punishment, but in the case of someone playing Stairway to Heaven, I would consider it, as mercy killing if nothing else.


Haha laugh.gif

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 9 2008, 02:41 PM) *
I'll consider doing a lesson in his style. wink.gif Give me some time to get something really cool.


Goodie, thanks Gabe smile.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Robwylde
post Jun 9 2008, 02:10 PM
Post #6


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 76
Joined: 28-December 06
From: Wisconsin Rapids, WI
Member No.: 1.022



Thanx Gabriel biggrin.gif That is fantastic, Jimmy Page is a Riff master that many have tried to duplicate nad I'm sure you will have a very cool Page lesson cool.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OrganisedConfusi...
post Jun 9 2008, 02:13 PM
Post #7


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 5.635
Joined: 29-November 07
From: Nottingham, UK
Member No.: 3.401



I hate his guitaring but even I agree there should be a lesson in the style of him. As long as somebody doesn't scream in a high pitch voice over it lol. Ohhhhhhhhh Yeah, Ohhhhhhhhh Yeah, BBBBAAAAAABBBBBBBBBYYYYY, Ohhhhhhhh Yeah.

Just a few Led Zep lyrics there tongue.gif biggrin.gif


--------------------
Gear
Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic
Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Old School Rocke...
post Jun 9 2008, 02:32 PM
Post #8


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 137
Joined: 11-February 08
From: Burnaby, BC
Member No.: 4.208



QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 9 2008, 05:41 AM) *
I'll consider doing a lesson in his style. wink.gif Give me some time to get something really cool.

If you wanna do it just like Jimmy and make it really cool, you could use a violin bow tongue.gif That'd be one killer lesson.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jun 9 2008, 06:13 AM) *
As long as somebody doesn't scream in a high pitch voice over it lol. Ohhhhhhhhh Yeah, Ohhhhhhhhh Yeah, BBBBAAAAAABBBBBBBBBYYYYY, Ohhhhhhhh Yeah.

Are you kidding that'd be the best part, Gabe could get Luciana to add some vocals into his lesson biggrin.gif
I would love to see a Jimmy Page style lesson He's one of my Fav. guitarists right with Slash, Joe Perry, and Eddie Van Halen.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Henry Dietzel
post Jul 8 2008, 07:15 PM
Post #9


Instructor (former GMCer Hammerin Hank)
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 718
Joined: 1-May 08
From: Boston MA
Member No.: 5.018



I just found this thread. I will probably put together a Page lesson. The problem with Page is, as Muris wrote, he did not have a unique style. My problem with him is that he was very sloppy live and "borrowed" much material to create many of Zep's hit tracks without credit being given. I still do enjoy his music but think that was a crappy approach mad.gif
(see the attachment, you can find most of these on amazon.com for a quick audio reference)
Attached File  Zep_songs.doc ( 81K ) Number of downloads: 339

There are key riffs signatured by him that I will incorporate in a lesson. I do think his studio work was genius and he did influence many players including me so I believe he is somewhat worthy of a lesson biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Henry Dietzel: Jul 8 2008, 07:17 PM


--------------------
I have learned a lot, but I still have a lot to learn


Check out my video lessons
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fkalich
post Jul 8 2008, 07:30 PM
Post #10


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.713
Joined: 12-February 07
From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas
Member No.: 1.189



QUOTE (Henry Dietzel @ Jul 8 2008, 01:15 PM) *
I just found this thread. I will probably put together a Page lesson. The problem with Page is, as Muris wrote, he did not have a unique style. My problem with him is that he was very sloppy live and "borrowed" much material to create many of Zep's hit tracks without credit being given. I still do enjoy his music but think that was a crappy approach mad.gif
(see the attachment, you can find most of these on amazon.com for a quick audio reference)
Attached File  Zep_songs.doc ( 81K ) Number of downloads: 339

There are key riffs signatured by him that I will incorporate in a lesson. I do think his studio work was genius and he did influence many players including me so I believe he is somewhat worthy of a lesson biggrin.gif



You are making the same mistake, as is made in the way history is taught to children today. looking as someone from an epoch, and judging him based on standards you have grown up with more recently.

He has no signature statement because he is the most influential heavy guitarist of all time, and his signature statement is what is embedded in what everyone plays today. I am not sure you are the one to do justice to JP, considering how you look at him. I vote for Gabriel.


edit: regarding sloppy, I don't think that the unarguably more employed studio guitarist in England (before he formed LZ) was perceived as a sloppy musician in his time. As in Heartbreaker, sure, slop by today's standards. But the fact is, nobody had done any song even remotely like that before him. What do you want from a Pioneer, a paved Autobahn?

This post has been edited by fkalich: Jul 8 2008, 07:34 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Henry Dietzel
post Jul 8 2008, 07:36 PM
Post #11


Instructor (former GMCer Hammerin Hank)
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 718
Joined: 1-May 08
From: Boston MA
Member No.: 5.018



And that is fine, those are your thoughts just like I have presented mine. Jimmy Page is the reason I picked up the guitar in the first place. I merely stated information that I gained years later that shifted my opinion of him a bit......that is all smile.gif I didn't mean to offend you and apologize if you took some sort of offense from my statement

This post has been edited by Henry Dietzel: Jul 8 2008, 07:37 PM


--------------------
I have learned a lot, but I still have a lot to learn


Check out my video lessons
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fkalich
post Jul 8 2008, 09:24 PM
Post #12


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.713
Joined: 12-February 07
From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas
Member No.: 1.189



QUOTE (Henry Dietzel @ Jul 8 2008, 01:36 PM) *
And that is fine, those are your thoughts just like I have presented mine. Jimmy Page is the reason I picked up the guitar in the first place. I merely stated information that I gained years later that shifted my opinion of him a bit......that is all smile.gif I didn't mean to offend you and apologize if you took some sort of offense from my statement


I didn't take offense. People here are way to guarded. Nothing wrong with acting normal, like we all do in social settings, so long as we don't get personal. I don't listen to him any more. Nor do I consider it easy to do a lesson on him, as his influence has been so broad. Specifically in those first 5 albums. I mean, take any of a number of songs. Say, Black Dog. That off rhythm bass line that goes through the song. I invite anyone to find anybody else who did something like this prior to JP. Maybe you can find it, if you look hard enough, but I doubt it. He was innovative, and was so over 5 albums. I can name song after song. Nothing special now, but again, take any, Immigrant song. Find a song like that before Page. "Thank You", find one like that. Composition after composition. Sure not original when people follow that template now, but it sure was then. And in his time, tell me who was appreciably more skilled. Of course he is crap now compared to others.

I am not saying there is any use in a JP lesson today. But I also think that it is easy as time goes by, for people to forget who were the real innovators, and overestimate how creative, innovative their current favorites really are. In 10 years LedZep and Page will still be talked about, 20 years. There is probably not a current guitar hero or band here that will not be for all practical purposes forgotten by then, except maybe Metalica, provided they still show reruns of Bevis and Butthead. There is a reason for that. Guys actually think someone like Vai is going to be remembered. Won't happen. You have to have a number of recognizable compositions, and most people even now don't even know who Vai is, much less his songs.

edit: If anyone gets remembered, I think it will be Yngwie. He has not had much in the way of composition, but he invented a unique style, that I think as time goes on will become more mainstream, and he will be recognized for that.

This post has been edited by fkalich: Jul 8 2008, 09:31 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
wrk
post Jul 8 2008, 10:06 PM
Post #13


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.027
Joined: 19-June 06
From: Paris/France (..used to be german)
Member No.: 723



Did Muris really wrote that Jimmy Page does not have a unique style?
Maybe i know all the LedZep songs to well, but i have the impression i hear a few notes and i'm sure it's JP. There seems to be something unique then or not?

smile.gif fkalich .. i thought it would never happen, but on your last comment i completely agree with you!!





--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Henry Dietzel
post Jul 8 2008, 10:06 PM
Post #14


Instructor (former GMCer Hammerin Hank)
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 718
Joined: 1-May 08
From: Boston MA
Member No.: 5.018



wrk,

I am not sure. I did not read that straight from Muris' it was taken out of context from fkalich's first post. dry.gif



fkalich
You make interesting points. It sadens me to think that many bands from all era's with little talent will be remembered not because of their skills as musicians but because of a catchy song that works well at weddings or a sports event. I agree many people are unfamiliar with Vai & even Yngwie is not to well known outside our circle with mainstream popularity. I will also agree that Zep will most likely continue to receive play for years to come.

My only point was that stealing from other artists that were not well known at the time and then trying to discredit them when it arose is a classless, spiteful act, and as a musician I can not and will not ever condone JP's actions. I think a true musician knows how to apply ones influences and creatively express them without allowing one to infringe on anothers creative expression.

That is all I have to say

This post has been edited by Henry Dietzel: Jul 8 2008, 10:08 PM


--------------------
I have learned a lot, but I still have a lot to learn


Check out my video lessons
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
jacmoe
post Jul 8 2008, 10:11 PM
Post #15


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 562
Joined: 2-December 07
From: Denmark
Member No.: 3.432



The problem with Page is that he more or less invented each and every rock cliché.
If he did not invent it himself, he made it mainstream.
Now, four decades later, we think of him as a cliché and forget where they all came from.'
Just my two cents. wink.gif

But - I agree with Henry - give credit where credit is due. Always. Or shameth! mad.gif


--------------------
QUOTE ("Steve Vai")
Start by playing something - a bend, a riff, a scale, a song - very slowly; if you make a mistake, start over; do this over and over, until you can play it flawlessly - and I do mean flawlessly - many times in a row. Next, gradually increase the tempo. Eventually you'll be flailing like a madman.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
wrk
post Jul 8 2008, 11:48 PM
Post #16


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.027
Joined: 19-June 06
From: Paris/France (..used to be german)
Member No.: 723



QUOTE (Henry Dietzel @ Jul 8 2008, 11:06 PM) *
I am not sure. I did not read that straight from Muris' it was taken out of context from fkalich's first post. dry.gif

I'm sure Muris was not meaning it like this .. smile.gif


QUOTE (Henry Dietzel @ Jul 8 2008, 11:06 PM) *
My only point was that stealing from other artists that were not well known at the time and then trying to discredit them when it arose is a classless, spiteful act, and as a musician I can not and will not ever condone JP's actions. I think a true musician knows how to apply ones influences and creatively express them without allowing one to infringe on anothers creative expression.


I agree with you, to give no credits is disrespectful, but i think that this document is a kind of questionable.
Seeing a list of 4 pages is a kind of impressive, but a lot entries are a joke in there or not? ... similar drum line ... similar song title but not the music .. intro chords are similar .. etc... some others i would name as influences, but has it the quality of stealing? Not sure ..

The main disturbing point is, it is not mentioned if credits were given or not for each listed point.

Maybe you are right and you have more in depth information that LedZep used to choose the easy way for their songs. It's just, a document, written like that, can easily have the wrong effect ..






--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
FilipofCroatia
post Jun 10 2009, 10:58 PM
Post #17


Learning Rock Star
*

Group: Members
Posts: 100
Joined: 24-May 09
From: London
Member No.: 7.210



He is only seen as sloppy because Zep improvised constantly in live performances which inevitably led to some mistakes being made live. Its how he recovers from them that is more impressive if anything!

Jimmy Page is my no1 guitarist of all time - i wont have anybody bad mouth him lol - just kidding =D

I guess its down to matter of opinion - but if i could inherit any one's talent it would be Jimmy Page. So many hits....

Here is a pic when i went to see Led Zep at their one off come back gig in 2007 =D lucky meeee! I got the t-shirt baby! lol

Attached Image
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fkalich
post Jun 10 2009, 11:48 PM
Post #18


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.713
Joined: 12-February 07
From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas
Member No.: 1.189



Correct. To understand past events, times, in a correct way, you have to be able to forget everything that has happened since those times, and look at them in that context. If you forget everything after 1972, and look at Zep, they sure stand out head and shoulders above anyone else that preceded them. If you look at the Beatles and forget everything after 1963, they stand out like a sky scraper in small town in Iowa. That is how you have to look at it. Anybody in the past few decades like that? Don't think so.

edit: Oh, nobody has done a lesson, but there is on lesson, the AudioPaal with Muris, that sounds Pagey. Someone said it sounds like Slash. Elvis impersonators all look like Elvis also. Kidding, Slash is more than that, but Page was his biggest influence I am pretty sure.

This post has been edited by fkalich: Jun 10 2009, 11:53 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blindwillie
post Jun 11 2009, 07:30 AM
Post #19


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.533
Joined: 28-March 07
From: Luleå, Sweden
Member No.: 1.434



QUOTE (fkalich @ Jul 8 2008, 08:30 PM) *
You are making the same mistake, as is made in the way history is taught to children today. looking as someone from an epoch, and judging him based on standards you have grown up with more recently.

He has no signature statement because he is the most influential heavy guitarist of all time, and his signature statement is what is embedded in what everyone plays today. I am not sure you are the one to do justice to JP, considering how you look at him. I vote for Gabriel.


...



QUOTE (fkalich @ Jul 8 2008, 10:24 PM) *
I didn't take offense. People here are way to guarded. Nothing wrong with acting normal, like we all do in social settings, so long as we don't get personal. I don't listen to him any more. Nor do I consider it easy to do a lesson on him, as his influence has been so broad. Specifically in those first 5 albums. I mean, take any of a number of songs. Say, Black Dog. That off rhythm bass line that goes through the song. I invite anyone to find anybody else who did something like this prior to JP. Maybe you can find it, if you look hard enough, but I doubt it. He was innovative, and was so over 5 albums. I can name song after song. Nothing special now, but again, take any, Immigrant song. Find a song like that before Page. "Thank You", find one like that. Composition after composition. Sure not original when people follow that template now, but it sure was then. And in his time, tell me who was appreciably more skilled. Of course he is crap now compared to others.

I am not saying there is any use in a JP lesson today. But I also think that it is easy as time goes by, for people to forget who were the real innovators, and overestimate how creative, innovative their current favorites really are.

...



QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 11 2009, 12:48 AM) *
Correct. To understand past events, times, in a correct way, you have to be able to forget everything that has happened since those times, and look at them in that context. If you forget everything after 1972, and look at Zep, they sure stand out head and shoulders above anyone else that preceded them. If you look at the Beatles and forget everything after 1963, they stand out like a sky scraper in small town in Iowa. That is how you have to look at it. Anybody in the past few decades like that? Don't think so.

...


For once I have to agree with you! tongue.gif

People say he has no unique style and in a way that's true because he fiddled around and mixed lots of styles.
Which, to me, in some way is what defined Page's style.
He "stole" a lot from the old blues guys, amongst others, but I would rather call it "got inspired from" than "stole from".

If someone says Paige stole and had no unique style he must admit by that standard that there haven't been many blues players with their own material and unique style. That's how the blues spread, by inspiring other players. Or, if prefered, stealing from each other.

What surprises me with Paige is his interrest and understanding of different blues aspects. Where did he get that from?


--------------------

Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit
Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85
Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless
Ibanez 2550z
Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2
Headphones: Sennheiser RS120

Stay tuned...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 


RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd January 2017 - 01:30 PM