Flight Of The Wounded Bumblebee, What's the delay setting Nuno uses?
 Jun 14 2008, 07:32 AM Post #1 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.737 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Karmiel, Israel Member No.: 1.574 So the topic preety much says it all, I want to learn how to play it but I have no idea what's the correct delay timing, anyone knows?This is the song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxrhRitq_zU -------------------- My Latest Upload: Here!My Practice Agenda/Blog: Here!
 Jun 14 2008, 08:14 AM Post #2 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.737 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Karmiel, Israel Member No.: 1.574 Right, so I tried figuring it out for myself by using the incredible force of math!This is the calculation I did for 80 bpm, sixteenth's notes, delay after one note(note 1, note 2, delay note 1, note 3, delay note 2, note 4, delay note 3, etc.)So this is the calculation I did: 60 seconds/80 bpm = 0.75 second per beat0.75*4=3 seconds per barit comes out that the delay should be an 8th note after I play the note, so 3/8=0.375ms delay timeSo I tried it, but it doesn't sound right.. are my calculations wrong?EDIT : Ok so I figured what's probalby wrong with my calculation and that is that it isn't every 8th note but every 3 16th notes.. but what's the right calculation? This post has been edited by Iluha: Jun 14 2008, 08:33 AM -------------------- My Latest Upload: Here!My Practice Agenda/Blog: Here!
 Jun 14 2008, 08:27 AM Post #3 Get to da Chopper! Group: GMC Senior Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK Member No.: 1.374 Here's what i get mate,60 (seconds/minute) / 80 (bpm) = 0.75 s (quarter note duration)0.75 / 4 (sixteenth note duration) * 3 = 0.5625 s So delay time would be: 563 ms (or 562, whatever).with feedback being : one repeat.This will give you your note 1, note 2, delay note 1, note 3, delay note 2, note 4, delay note 3, etc ( I hope)Does it work out okay?
 Jun 14 2008, 08:39 AM Post #4 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.737 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Karmiel, Israel Member No.: 1.574 QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Jun 14 2008, 09:27 AM) Here's what i get mate,60 (seconds/minute) / 80 (bpm) = 0.75 s (quarter note duration)0.75 / 4 (sixteenth note duration) * 3 = 0.5625 s So delay time would be: 563 ms (or 562, whatever).with feedback being : one repeat.This will give you your note 1, note 2, delay note 1, note 3, delay note 2, note 4, delay note 3, etc ( I hope)Does it work out okay? F*** me.. yes man, such a simple calculation.. thanks man! -------------------- My Latest Upload: Here!My Practice Agenda/Blog: Here!
 Jun 14 2008, 09:14 AM Post #5 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 3.220 Joined: 2-August 07 From: Turin, Italy Member No.: 2.464 QUOTE (Iluha @ Jun 14 2008, 09:14 AM) EDIT : Ok so I figured what's probalby wrong with my calculation and that is that it isn't every 8th note but every 3 16th notes.. Exactly!This is the patternAll notes in brackets are generated by the echo effect.Deep's calculation is right. At full speed the delay should be set around 220ms.Remember to play staccato as much as possible!!!!/edit typo This post has been edited by Jerry Arcidiacono: Jun 14 2008, 09:16 AM -------------------- ::: Main Gear ::: Guitars : Washburn N4 Vintage | Washburn N2 | Washburn WI67Pro | Washburn WG-587 | Washburn EA20B Amps : Laney GH50L (head) | Laney GS410 & GS212IE (cabinets) | Rocktron PROGAP Ultra (rack preamp) | Rocktron Velocity 150 (power amp) | Marshall VS230 (combo) FXs : Rocktron Intellifex + custom pedalboard (check my video demo) Other : Shredneck | Intellitouch PT10 tuner Picks : Esseti Picks Software & Recording Gear : Cubase 4 | Overloud TH1 | Mackie Onyx 400F | EZdrummer | Korg Pandora PX4D ------------------------------------------------------- myspace.com/jerryarcidiacono Check out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Jun 14 2008, 09:22 AM Post #6 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.737 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Karmiel, Israel Member No.: 1.574 QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Jun 14 2008, 10:14 AM) Exactly!This is the patternAll notes in brackets are generated by the echo effect.Deep's calculation is right. At full speed the delay should be set around 220ms.Remember to play staccato as much as possible!!!!/edit typo This would be one hell of a thing to play on stage eh? I bet you already playd it sometime =p -------------------- My Latest Upload: Here!My Practice Agenda/Blog: Here!
 Jun 14 2008, 09:36 AM Post #7 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 3.220 Joined: 2-August 07 From: Turin, Italy Member No.: 2.464 Well, Nuno said different times that it's not a matter of speed, since you're playing eighted notes at circa 200 bpm.The tricky part is to create this pattern and keep the tempo for the whole intro.I played this one When I was I child I did not have any effects so I started doubling each note Kind of good alternate picking exercise!! Anyway, it didn't sound the same -------------------- ::: Main Gear ::: Guitars : Washburn N4 Vintage | Washburn N2 | Washburn WI67Pro | Washburn WG-587 | Washburn EA20B Amps : Laney GH50L (head) | Laney GS410 & GS212IE (cabinets) | Rocktron PROGAP Ultra (rack preamp) | Rocktron Velocity 150 (power amp) | Marshall VS230 (combo) FXs : Rocktron Intellifex + custom pedalboard (check my video demo) Other : Shredneck | Intellitouch PT10 tuner Picks : Esseti Picks Software & Recording Gear : Cubase 4 | Overloud TH1 | Mackie Onyx 400F | EZdrummer | Korg Pandora PX4D ------------------------------------------------------- myspace.com/jerryarcidiacono Check out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Jun 14 2008, 09:38 AM Post #8 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.737 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Karmiel, Israel Member No.: 1.574 QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Jun 14 2008, 10:36 AM) Well, Nuno said different times that it's not a matter of speed, since you're playing eighted notes at circa 200 bpm.The tricky part is to create this pattern and keep the tempo for the whole intro.I played this one When I was I child I did not have any effects so I started doubling each note Kind of good alternate picking exercise!! Anyway, it didn't sound the same Yeah it's not that tricky, but it's a great party trick to throw on stage I think I'll do it once I get the chance. already up to 150 bpm.. just 30 to go !Oh and about keeping the tempo, you noticed he messed up the timing a bit around the middle part in the album version? even great musicians like him make mistakes sometimes This post has been edited by Iluha: Jun 14 2008, 09:40 AM -------------------- My Latest Upload: Here!My Practice Agenda/Blog: Here!
 Jun 18 2008, 01:21 PM Post #9 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 3.220 Joined: 2-August 07 From: Turin, Italy Member No.: 2.464 I made a mp3 file from the CD.I'm listening that part slowing down - 50% - with Windows Media Player.It sounds pretty good to me.When I hear it at 70-80% it seems that Nuno plays a little "after" the beat. Just a little.Maybe those higher notes - and the resulting pattern - are the guilties! Kind of illusion, maybe. -------------------- ::: Main Gear ::: Guitars : Washburn N4 Vintage | Washburn N2 | Washburn WI67Pro | Washburn WG-587 | Washburn EA20B Amps : Laney GH50L (head) | Laney GS410 & GS212IE (cabinets) | Rocktron PROGAP Ultra (rack preamp) | Rocktron Velocity 150 (power amp) | Marshall VS230 (combo) FXs : Rocktron Intellifex + custom pedalboard (check my video demo) Other : Shredneck | Intellitouch PT10 tuner Picks : Esseti Picks Software & Recording Gear : Cubase 4 | Overloud TH1 | Mackie Onyx 400F | EZdrummer | Korg Pandora PX4D ------------------------------------------------------- myspace.com/jerryarcidiacono Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

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