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post Jun 16 2008, 02:00 PM
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So..... First I want to get this straight. I don't need a new amp. I recently got a nice little line six practice amp. And I'm not really good enough to be doing live performances at this point.

But I do want to join a band in the next few years, and I just wanted this cleared up-

IS A VALVE AMP SO MUCH BETTER THAN A SOLID STATE???

I see a ton of my favorite players using nothing but valves. They have great tone and such- but theyre expensive. A solid state 50 watt combo can cost hundreds less than a valve one. And, having compared the two (but briefly), I think, is it worth it dry.gif ? Any experience you may have with this type of amp is very useful to me...


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post Jun 16 2008, 02:09 PM
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post Jun 16 2008, 02:10 PM
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Simple answer: Yes smile.gif

Tube Amps are awesome when you crank the volume. Beautiful sound. smile.gif


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post Jun 16 2008, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jun 16 2008, 08:10 AM) *
Simple answer: Yes smile.gif

Tube Amps are awesome when you crank the volume. Beautiful sound. smile.gif


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post Jun 16 2008, 02:47 PM
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There are some extremely good transistor/solid state amps around: Roland Jazz Chorus, Yamaha DG1000 preamp, H&K Zentera for instance. However they aren't cheap either: JC100 is about 1000Euros new and the Zentera more like 3000 - DG1000 (if you can find one) are a few hundred euros used plus the cost of a good power amp and cab.

So arguably a good SS is not worlds away in price from a lot of tube amps. Where a SS wins out is it's usually easy to keep and maintain and the volume and tone tends to be linear across the range - tube amps really only start to win out when cranked. Also most SS do crystal clean very well. Where they often lose out is they lack the multiple order harmonics - and therefore richness and musicality of tone - of a cranked valve amp.

Best way to check the difference though is to go in to a friendly guitar shop and try them out back to back at high volume.

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post Jun 16 2008, 04:37 PM
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At home all those modeling amps are perfectly fine, but in the studio or on stage I would always pick a tube amp!


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post Jun 16 2008, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jun 16 2008, 03:47 PM) *
There are some extremely good transistor/solid state amps around: Roland Jazz Chorus, Yamaha DG1000 preamp, H&K Zentera for instance. However they aren't cheap either: JC100 is about 1000Euros new and the Zentera more like 3000 - DG1000 (if you can find one) are a few hundred euros used plus the cost of a good power amp and cab.

So arguably a good SS is not worlds away in price from a lot of tube amps. Where a SS wins out is it's usually easy to keep and maintain and the volume and tone tends to be linear across the range - tube amps really only start to win out when cranked. Also most SS do crystal clean very well. Where they often lose out is they lack the multiple order harmonics - and therefore richness and musicality of tone - of a cranked valve amp.

Best way to check the difference though is to go in to a friendly guitar shop and try them out back to back at high volume.

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I was going to say something like this, but you said it perfectly smile.gif
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post Jun 16 2008, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Jun 16 2008, 12:37 PM) *
At home all those modeling amps are perfectly fine, but in the studio or on stage I would always pick a tube amp!



100% agree smile.gif . Now that I have my Podx3 live I use it all the time at home for practicing and recording demos but live and for recording I preffer my tube amp.


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post Jun 16 2008, 06:20 PM
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At home I use a POD X3 Live, works perfectly well. From time to time I do want to play my Classic 30 tube amp at home and the difference is huge. While the POD X3 tried to do it, a real full tuber actually does it for real.

Compare eating a luxurous dinner compared to fast food, where the tube amp is the luxurous dinner.
Compare kissing a real girl vs. practicing on your little sisters dolls, where the tube amp is the real girl.
Compare the roar from a 600 Hp V8 to the noise from a pneumatic drill at a construction site, where the 600Hp V8 is the tube amp.

Fast food, dolls and pneumatic drills are all good but can't beat luxury dinners, girls and a V8 when you want the real thing.


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post Jun 16 2008, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 16 2008, 07:20 PM) *
Compare eating a luxurous dinner compared to fast food, where the tube amp is the luxurous dinner.


really graphic mate !! tongue.gif Tube amps are the best smile.gif


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post Jun 16 2008, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 16 2008, 07:20 PM) *
Compare kissing a real girl vs. practicing on your little sisters dolls, where the tube amp is the real girl.


Do i detect repressed memories ph34r.gif
hehe just jokin tongue.gif
I've got a ss with a tube pre-amp. never had much chance to compare it as its only the 2nd amp i've had

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post Jun 16 2008, 07:49 PM
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I would agree with everyone here and say tube amp is really way better then a solidstate one. But still you have to be careful what you choose. As many said, tube amps deliver great sound when crancked so be carefull not to take too big amp.


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post Jun 16 2008, 07:57 PM
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Its also worth noteing that if you want a really nice high gain tube amp your looking at big bucks typically !

The average home players budget might buy a fender blues Junior, a Vox AC15cc or something similar. Great clean amps, but they dont do high gain sounds well, even with pedals.

I like the sounds of Mesa Boogie, high end Marshalls, Soldano etc and I could never afford these for home use, thats where the Pod saved the day smile.gif

I would take a Mesa Boogie tube amp over anything if I had the cash biggrin.gif


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post Jun 16 2008, 07:58 PM
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Tube is great for gigs and recording, but for home I would always recommend solid state...


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I think it's safe to say, that if you'll use the amp for home practice and later just practice with a band you can just as well buy a good solid state (and they can be really good).. And then if you're starting to play live shows and get more serious about playing and start recording proffesionally you can buy a tube amp smile.gif

Sorry, but there is no need to buy a good tube amp for practice at home..

A good solid state amp is better than a bad tube amp IMO smile.gif
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post Jun 16 2008, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Jun 16 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Sorry, but there is no need to buy a good tube amp for practice at home..


If my neighbor complained about my silent practice with POD X3 and headphones, you can imagine a cranked up tube amp...

I am not very experienced with tube amps, but I tested a JCM-2000 in a store using a Gibson Les Paul custom. Oh yeah, that's the real thing! cool.gif

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post Jun 17 2008, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jun 16 2008, 09:47 AM) *
There are some extremely good transistor/solid state amps around: Roland Jazz Chorus, Yamaha DG1000 preamp, H&K Zentera for instance. However they aren't cheap either: JC100 is about 1000Euros new and the Zentera more like 3000 - DG1000 (if you can find one) are a few hundred euros used plus the cost of a good power amp and cab.

So arguably a good SS is not worlds away in price from a lot of tube amps. Where a SS wins out is it's usually easy to keep and maintain and the volume and tone tends to be linear across the range - tube amps really only start to win out when cranked. Also most SS do crystal clean very well. Where they often lose out is they lack the multiple order harmonics - and therefore richness and musicality of tone - of a cranked valve amp.

Best way to check the difference though is to go in to a friendly guitar shop and try them out back to back at high volume.

Cheers,
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good advice... taking another trip to the sam ash store will sort out this problem! Then I can be disappointed when I don't have enough cash! biggrin.gif Its seriously terrible to go there and look at all of the shiny, wonderful guitar stuff... Playing with effects pedals just kills me, you know? tongue.gif better save up some money so I can see why everybody thinks theyre so wonderful.

QUOTE (audiopaal @ Jun 16 2008, 02:58 PM) *
I think it's safe to say, that if you'll use the amp for home practice and later just practice with a band you can just as well buy a good solid state (and they can be really good).. And then if you're starting to play live shows and get more serious about playing and start recording proffesionally you can buy a tube amp smile.gif

Sorry, but there is no need to buy a good tube amp for practice at home..

A good solid state amp is better than a bad tube amp IMO smile.gif


Youre absolutely right! which means I can get back to practicing, working, and dreaming! smile.gif


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post Jun 17 2008, 01:25 PM
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Tube for ever, but a cheap tube amp don't sound as good as an expensive tube amp...so many time an amp modeler will sound quite good if not better compared to a cheap tube amp.


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post Jun 18 2008, 12:12 AM
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As time goes by, your ears will develop along with your ability to play guitar. If you can tell a difference between a tube amp and a solid state amp now, you will be able to tell a large difference down the road. You will also be able to tell a difference between tube amps. Take note of what all the professional players use. That should answer your question.

My at-home practice amp is solid state. But, nothing can beat the organic tone of a tube amp at volume. Consider that tube amps can be a real pain to maintain, because they are tube-driven. Yet, they are the choice of just about any top player you can think of. And, as far as tube amps go, you get what you pay for. When the time comes, get the best amp you can. Boogie, Marshall, VHT, ENGL, and Fender come to mind...
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