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post Jul 16 2008, 10:00 PM
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I have reviewed many lesson plans and practice agendas here at GMC, but I still seem to be stumped, and the more I think of it, I think its a question that if answered, would probably help alot of beginners using GMC besides myself. I don't consider myself a beginner(been playing for over 5 years) but I have been a victim of learning bits and pieces without a strong foundation or plan that is really hindering my future progress now.

GMC has a huge resource of lessons, but with that, it can feel a bit overwhelming to beginners who don't exactly know what they should be practicing, and more importantly, in what particular order to build fundimental skills for future lessons.

So beyond the great Beginner Kick-Off that Kris has laid out(Which is a good primer), from an instructors' standpoint who teach individuals face to face as well, what skills/techniques do you teach and in what particular order of progression to your students. The Lesson Plans I see primarily focus on specific skill(Such as AP), which is great if someone is specifically looking to practice a certain skill, but does not lay out a long term practice plan for all around development. There is a beginner guide posted there, but it seems to have some interesting choices of lessons(No pentatonic plans which seems to be a foundational lesson).

Now I would like an answer not geared to a specific style of music because most initial guitar instruction does not take this into consideration, and the various styles(Rock or Jazz) still use many of the same skills(just in different ways).

So I guess what I am asking is there is any way to lay out a broader plan of the order to introduce the primary tools of guitarists, to develope as a good all around player. Once a player gets to that point, they can pick lessons for specific things they want to learn.

For example:
Open Chord (major and Minor)
Power Chords
Strumming
APing
Pentatonics
licks
Chords combined with licks
More unique chord forms

So this list is building upon a previous skill, and is in an order of practicality - This is the kind of thing I think would help many, including myself.

Can anyone help with this?

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post Jul 16 2008, 10:31 PM
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Great point, I suggest you should stick to the "if you want it done do it yourself" thing. You seem to have thought this out very well, and I think you'd be most satisfied if you made a lesson plan to your liking. The lesson plans aren't just for looking, everyone and anyone can make one, on practically any guitar topic, and we encourage you guys to do so. smile.gif


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post Jul 16 2008, 10:47 PM
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it is exactly what is needed..

i just joined GMC back in may, and it was very difficult to get startet..
What i did was to go through and read Andrews great theory lessons.. he has a big "Where to start" thing which has an index and a nice overview of theory..

This is actually the list i decided to go after.. so when he began talking about the minor pentatonic, which is somewhat in the beginning, i decided that i had to spend a lot of time on this subject.

And while doing these i quickly learned that i could practice alternate picking as well.. i dont feel super duper at the minor pentatonic scales yet, so i am still practicing these scales.. i believe he also talks about the blues scales in the same theory lesson but i haven't even begun to consider this yet.. (even though it's only a couple of extra notes in each box).

so i do specific lessons directed at teaching me the minor pentatonic scales.. and while doing so i get a lot better at alternate picking, legato, slides, bending etc. Not perfect yet though, but nothing a lot of practice wont fix.. smile.gif

when i feel comfortable enough with the minor pentatonic i will move on to the next theory lesson in Andrews list.. at some point i hit something i dont know anything about.. and then i will start searching for lessons regarding that topic and begin practicing it..

Im not even sure that this is the "proper" order to learn the stuff, but thats how i do it.. smile.gif

Good luck.. smile.gif

edit: here's the link to Andrews Where To Start

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post Jul 16 2008, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE (-Zion- @ Jul 16 2008, 02:47 PM) *
it is exactly what is needed..

i just joined GMC back in may, and it was very difficult to get startet..
What i did was to go through and read Andrews great theory lessons.. he has a big "Where to start" thing which has an index and a nice overview of theory..

This is actually the list i decided to go after.. so when he began talking about the minor pentatonic, which is somewhat in the beginning, i decided that i had to spend a lot of time on this subject.

And while doing these i quickly learned that i could practice alternate picking as well.. i dont feel super duper at the minor pentatonic scales yet, so i am still practicing these scales.. i believe he also talks about the blues scales in the same theory lesson but i haven't even begun to consider this yet.. (even though it's only a couple of extra notes in each box).

so i do specific lessons directed at teaching me the minor pentatonic scales.. and while doing so i get a lot better at alternate picking, legato, slides, bending etc. Not perfect yet though, but nothing a lot of practice wont fix.. smile.gif

when i feel comfortable enough with the minor pentatonic i will move on to the next theory lesson in Andrews list.. at some point i hit something i dont know anything about.. and then i will start searching for lessons regarding that topic and begin practicing it..

Im not even sure that this is the "proper" order to learn the stuff, but thats how i do it.. smile.gif

Good luck.. smile.gif

edit: here's the link to Andrews Where To Start


That is a good point


QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Jul 16 2008, 02:31 PM) *
Great point, I suggest you should stick to the "if you want it done do it yourself" thing. You seem to have thought this out very well, and I think you'd be most satisfied if you made a lesson plan to your liking. The lesson plans aren't just for looking, everyone and anyone can make one, on practically any guitar topic, and we encourage you guys to do so. smile.gif


But my point is I am bouncing around with no direction or proper order of learning , and need guidance from someone more experienced in what to learn and in what order - not sure if anybody would want to learn my style.

But the poster down below brought up a good roadmap - Following Andrew's Theory Lesson list order. I think it should also be posted in the Lesson Plan section since its more than just theory.

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post Jul 17 2008, 02:30 AM
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Well, I tried to cover most of the things regarding basic pentatonics in my pentatonic series and it worked. I could definitely try the same on modes, scales, chords etc if lot of people are interested in that.


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post Jul 17 2008, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 16 2008, 06:30 PM) *
Well, I tried to cover most of the things regarding basic pentatonics in my pentatonic series and it worked. I could definitely try the same on modes, scales, chords etc if lot of people are interested in that.


I think there's plenty of lessons on GMC, but my question was more about the order in which a student should learn the different skills. For example, should people start with learning the pentatonics, or better to start with chords, and if its chords What is the long range order of learning for maximum results .

I guess I could go out and find a comprehensive guitar book, and look at the order in which the skills are taught, and use that as a guide to learn the lessons on GMC, but was wondering if there is somewhat of a consensus on which skills are crucial to build upon in order.



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post Jul 17 2008, 04:04 PM
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Well this is one of the things that makes music so much fun, there is no right or wrong order, you should learn the things you want to learn.


You don't have to be a good all-around player, some people just don't want to, take my friend for example, he doesn't want to play anything that isn't progressive, because it just bores him if it isn't!

So my advice is to first determine what music you want to play, and than learn stuff accordingly.


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Maybe something like:

30 mins warming
1 hour, theory / chords / harmony
1 hour Ivan's pentatonics (first 4 lessons)
45 mins Song lesson, lead lessons...
1 hour, scale AP'ing...

that's my daily practice


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