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steve25 View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 04:44 PM
Jul 17 2008, 04:44 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.197 Joined: 19-April 07 From: Wiltshire, England	Hi guys I've had my guitar back from the shop and i'm still not 100% happy with it. They've sorted out all the intonation and did the truss rod proeprly now but one thing still bugs me and that's the action. so i want to raise the action where i'm getting little to no fret buzzing at all i'm not really bothered about getting a low action as i don't think having a low action is that important anyway. So my question is can changing the action bugger up the intonation? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

MickeM View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 04:49 PM
Jul 17 2008, 04:49 PM	Born of NWOBHM, Moderation Team Leader Posts: 8.562 Joined: 9-January 07 From: Stockholm, Sweden	Good question, but I'm thinking that - NO it will not - since the force from the strings will still be the same even if you raise them a bit and after you tune them it's all back to normal. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My bands homepage All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello

USAMAN View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 04:59 PM
Jul 17 2008, 04:59 PM	GMC:er Posts: 664 Joined: 15-October 07 From: Minnesota, USA. Earth	Ive done this a thousand times. If intonation changes it will be very slight if at all. I wouldnt really worry about it to muc and adjust the height where you want it to be. 1 question...Floyd rose, hardtail, kahler.....? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat ?

steve25 View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 05:03 PM
Jul 17 2008, 05:03 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.197 Joined: 19-April 07 From: Wiltshire, England	QUOTE (USAMAN @ Jul 17 2008, 04:59 PM) Ive done this a thousand times. If intonation changes it will be very slight if at all. I wouldnt really worry about it to muc and adjust the height where you want it to be. 1 question...Floyd rose, hardtail, kahler.....? strat type, although it isn't a strat it works in the same way. It's a floating bridge on a PRS You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

USAMAN View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 05:11 PM
Jul 17 2008, 05:11 PM	GMC:er Posts: 664 Joined: 15-October 07 From: Minnesota, USA. Earth	If the intonation does change.... Grab your tuner. plug in... pluck string make sure it is perfectly in tune (open) fret same string at 12th fret observe tuning. It should still be in tune. If not adjust intonation screw on bridge until the string is the same open and 12th fret.... repeat for all strings... done. Dont pay for adjustments ever again. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat ?

steve25 View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 06:23 PM
Jul 17 2008, 06:23 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.197 Joined: 19-April 07 From: Wiltshire, England	The A and E strings seem to be the worst, the others aren't so bad, i could live with it. But the problem is if i raise these 2 i'll have to raise everything else as well looks like i might end up with a really high action. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Jul 17 2008, 10:11 PM
Jul 17 2008, 10:11 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	I would definitely check the intonation again. Intonation is not very difficult to check, so there's no harm in doing it (specially for bass strings, sometimes can happen that one winding sort of "click" to another winding and intonations changes). You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Xuestor View Member Profile	Jul 18 2008, 07:14 PM
Jul 18 2008, 07:14 PM	GMC:er Posts: 324 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Sweden	In what order should intonation and action be set? Should I set action first, or intonation first? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear: Epi LP with SD SH-2/SD SH-6 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Standard VOS Bourbon burst Gibson Les Paul Classic Antique Vintage Sunburst Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded Tobacco burst Fender Stratocaster Antigua with Stan Hinesley Karma/ Stan Hinesley EXP/ Dimarzio Protrack Jem 7VWH Fender CD160NT 12-string Ibanez AW40NT 6-string Martin 000X1 6-string Hughes & Kettner Switchblade Head with 2*12 Celestion Vintage 30's Cab Grammatic Professional auf Schweden

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Jul 18 2008, 08:35 PM
Jul 18 2008, 08:35 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Intonation is done on the end, along with tuning, although it is not a strict rule of course. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

kjutte View Member Profile	Jul 19 2008, 12:15 PM
Jul 19 2008, 12:15 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway	QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 17 2008, 05:49 PM) Good question, but I'm thinking that - NO it will not - since the force from the strings will still be the same even if you raise them a bit and after you tune them it's all back to normal. Yes it will man. Raising=changing total length. string force=tune, not intonation. THat's total length of neck. Edit: and for the record, if you want a 100% result, you'll do intonation last. Even changing to another stringdist. will mess your intonation up. It's a very fragile setup. Also, you will NEVER intonate on old strings, because then your new ones won't be intonated. Alot of factors bro. Edit again: When changing action you also have to resetup your pickups, because of the magnetism kontra your strings. My local guitargod says that this takes years (of experience) to do properly, so I'd honestly take it back to the shop. *Edit for language - Smells* You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Smells: Jul 30 2008, 12:19 PM

Bogdan Radovic View Member Profile	Jul 19 2008, 06:54 PM
Jul 19 2008, 06:54 PM	Bass & Beginner Instructor Posts: 15.614 Joined: 30-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Yeah always check the intonation last...But than again if you just got your guitar from the shop , maybe you want to turn it back for them to set it up like you wanted/prefered ? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Bogdan Radovic: Jul 19 2008, 06:55 PM -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net Check out my lessons and my instructor board. Check out my beginner guitar lessons course! ; Take a bass course now!

kjutte View Member Profile	Jul 19 2008, 06:56 PM
Jul 19 2008, 06:56 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway	QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jul 19 2008, 07:54 PM) Yeah always check the intonation last...But than again if you just got your guitar from the shop , maybe you want to turn it back for them to set it up like you wanted/prefered ? Totally agree. Let's hope he asked them to set the action though- else he has to pay again. Edit: Well on second thought, they haven't done their job if the strings are buzzing. Reclamation!! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by kjutte: Jul 19 2008, 06:56 PM

jer View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 03:17 PM
Dec 30 2008, 03:17 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	What do you floyd guys recommend using to move the saddles back and forth when intonating? I dont want to scratch them up. But I need something to push on them pretty hard since they are under tension and want to slide forward once the screw is loosened... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

Dejan Farkas View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 03:42 PM
Dec 30 2008, 03:42 PM	Instructor Posts: 3.035 Joined: 27-November 07 From: Sarajevo, Bosnia	I recommned you floyd rose intonation tool It looks like on picture bellow You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/dejanfarkas Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

jer View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 04:08 PM
Dec 30 2008, 04:08 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Dec 30 2008, 08:42 AM) I recommned you floyd rose intonation tool It looks like on picture bellow Hmmm.... That doesnt look like what I need. Perhaps I'm adjusting the wrong thing? I have whats pictured. I adjust that screw thats under the strings. (nice placement, thats real handy) When I loosen it the piece under it (saddle?) wants to slide forward due to tension. That piece is what adjusts intonation yes? The tool you pictures looks like something that goes behind the whole thing. Doesnt look like it has anything to do with this adjustment. What am I missing? [ You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

Dejan Farkas View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 04:23 PM
Dec 30 2008, 04:23 PM	Instructor Posts: 3.035 Joined: 27-November 07 From: Sarajevo, Bosnia	The tool is for floyd rose, what's your system? EDIT: This tool is letting you to unscrew the intonation screw (the one you point to) and then set the intonation by adjusting the tool and then tighten it back You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Dejan Farkas: Dec 30 2008, 04:25 PM -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/dejanfarkas Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

jer View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 04:31 PM
Dec 30 2008, 04:31 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	Its a floyd. I have a couple "floyd licensed" ones too. They have the same screw. From that pic I cant see how something that attaches at the very back of the trem is going to move that metal piece when I loosen that screw. I've tried loosening it and pushing back on it with a flat headed screwdriver blade but it'll scratch it.... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

jer View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 06:18 PM
Dec 30 2008, 06:18 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	I figured it out. The part I was moving is attached to that long bolt sticking out the back. That tool pulls on that bolt. Instead of me pushing on it from the front. I just bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Floyd-Rose-Bridge-Into...%3A1%7C294%3A50 Thanks for the help! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

Dejan Farkas View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 06:21 PM
Dec 30 2008, 06:21 PM	Instructor Posts: 3.035 Joined: 27-November 07 From: Sarajevo, Bosnia	That's the one, you're welcome You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/dejanfarkas Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

jer View Member Profile	Dec 30 2008, 10:47 PM
Dec 30 2008, 10:47 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	Wow. I already got an email from the seller saying the unit shipped out 1st class mail. That was FAST!!!! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

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