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Scott Gentzen
post Jul 21 2008, 05:46 PM
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If the buzz doesn't go away when you disconnect your guitar from the amp, it's not your guitar and a noisegate isn't going to fix it.

I get a little buzzing on one of my amps when certain appliances are plugged into the power system in the house. It's either some kind of grounding or weird power thing in my house. I'm learning to make sure certain things are unplugged when I'm gonna play plugged in because I'm not up for buying a power conditioner yet either.

I'm curious if something like a small APC UPS/battery for computers would be up to the task. They're cheaper at least. Probably not as robust as a serious power conditioner but maybe good enough?


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post Jul 21 2008, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 21 2008, 06:31 PM) *
Who knows what could be the problem. Usually that buzz is associated with poor electrical wiring, not properly grounded cables, heavy consumers etc..

I agree with Bogdan and Trond here, just get a power cable, and plug the amp into a different current outlet (the one that is not on the same line as the buzzing one) to see if the problem persist. If it does, take it to amp tech, just in case, maybe it's a more serious problem.


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post Jul 22 2008, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 21 2008, 12:11 PM) *
Or 50hz if you're american, I dunno which frequency is used elsewhere though.


60hz in the USA not 50 ..


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post Jul 22 2008, 12:22 PM
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I guess you hear this buzz on high gain settings?
And what kind of guitar you're using?
With single coils you're just supposed to hear that hum
on high gain settings,comes with the territory.
Almost every noise gate pedal would probably help here,yeah. smile.gif


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post Jul 22 2008, 10:08 PM
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I play an Ibanez SA260FM through a Peavey Valveking 212. The buzz is also there when I play clean, but way less. I'll try to record the sound of it tomorrow. Too tired now. My boss thought it'd be funny to let me work 12 hours. Goodnight everyone smile.gif


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post Jul 22 2008, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (Scott Gentzen @ Jul 21 2008, 05:46 PM) *
If the buzz doesn't go away when you disconnect your guitar from the amp, it's not your guitar and a noisegate isn't going to fix it.

I get a little buzzing on one of my amps when certain appliances are plugged into the power system in the house. It's either some kind of grounding or weird power thing in my house. I'm learning to make sure certain things are unplugged when I'm gonna play plugged in because I'm not up for buying a power conditioner yet either.

I'm curious if something like a small APC UPS/battery for computers would be up to the task. They're cheaper at least. Probably not as robust as a serious power conditioner but maybe good enough?



I must disagree.
Most of the time you will find that when the gain is cranked or set high the noise is comming from the preamp section of the amp. In a high gain amp this is typical. Read my thread in gear called NS-2. There are instructions for hooking up the NS-2 That sends the preamp signal through the noise gate. Im telling ya....IT WILL BE SILENT. If it can silence (and I mean no noise) a loud 5150 with the gain cranked it will silence that valve king no problem.


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post Jul 23 2008, 07:15 AM
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I'm gonna sum up the things to do now.

Allright, I checked the amp without my guitar plugged in - still bzzzzz.

With my guitar plugged in - bzzzzz.

So what I'm going to do now is first find another outlet (an earthed one... is that the right English word?). We have one upstairs, so that means I won't have to move my heavy-ass amp down the stairs to a friend. If that doesn't work - should I try a noisegate or go to the tech right away?

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post Jul 23 2008, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Jul 22 2008, 11:22 PM) *
I must disagree.
Most of the time you will find that when the gain is cranked or set high the noise is comming from the preamp section of the amp. In a high gain amp this is typical. Read my thread in gear called NS-2. There are instructions for hooking up the NS-2 That sends the preamp signal through the noise gate. Im telling ya....IT WILL BE SILENT. If it can silence (and I mean no noise) a loud 5150 with the gain cranked it will silence that valve king no problem.


Preamp through noisegate, eh? sounds like you'd lose alot of charm.
I wouldn't do that.

Andrew, your opinion?

QUOTE (SonofDestiny @ Jul 23 2008, 08:15 AM) *
I'm gonna sum up the things to do now.

Allright, I checked the amp without my guitar plugged in - still bzzzzz.

With my guitar plugged in - bzzzzz.

So what I'm going to do now is first find another outlet (an earthed one... is that the right English word?). We have one upstairs, so that means I won't have to move my heavy-ass amp down the stairs to a friend. If that doesn't work - should I try a noisegate or go to the tech right away?


Well I dunno if you answered me, but how many pedals and signalcables do you have? does your amp HUM even you when pull out ALL other cables than the powercable and head to cab?
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post Jul 23 2008, 01:24 PM
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No charm lost if the effects loop is decient. This method works. Yes the signal gets buffered though the effects ns-2 but on my 5150 this is the answer. Dont knock it untill you try it. You can turn your amp to 10 (or 11 nigel) and wont even know its on till you hit the strings. you will be amazed playing master of pupets. where it goes "Master"........silence...........Master.......silence. Its insanely quiet.


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post Jul 23 2008, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Jul 23 2008, 02:24 PM) *
"Master"........silence...........Master.......silence. Its insanely quiet.


I Like that silence biggrin.gif



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post Jul 23 2008, 02:19 PM
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I always get noise problems with my guitar through my amp. My pandora has a built in noise gate which eliminates those problems...i love that unit wink.gif
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post Jul 23 2008, 07:41 PM
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what type of guitar/pickups are you using? I have played a few single coils that buzz pretty loud, strats typically buzz a bit,
maybe if you could try a different type of guitar to isolate the issue
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post Jul 23 2008, 11:44 PM
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Here I found it. This is my old forum post re: this matter. Give this a try.


I always had a problem with the noise generated by my high gain amps. Got a tip for you GMCers.
Boss NS-2 hook up. This even quiets down my 5150 to a zero noise amp. Most people put these between the guitar and the amp input....doesnt work very well. Most of the noise is from the preamp.
Try this it works killer!


Guitar > pedal input
Pedal output> effects return
Amp send> to pedal return
Pedal send> amp input.

Turn on effects loop........silence is bliss


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post Jul 24 2008, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Jul 24 2008, 12:44 AM) *
Here I found it. This is my old forum post re: this matter. Give this a try.


I always had a problem with the noise generated by my high gain amps. Got a tip for you GMCers.
Boss NS-2 hook up. This even quiets down my 5150 to a zero noise amp. Most people put these between the guitar and the amp input....doesnt work very well. Most of the noise is from the preamp.
Try this it works killer!


Guitar > pedal input
Pedal output> effects return
Amp send> to pedal return
Pedal send> amp input.

Turn on effects loop........silence is bliss


If the preamp is making the noise, how about just putting it first in the effectloop and connecting Guitar normally?
That way the footswitch's FXswitch will still be operative.
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post Jul 24 2008, 04:30 AM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 12:35 AM) *
If the preamp is making the noise, how about just putting it first in the effectloop and connecting Guitar normally?
That way the footswitch's FXswitch will still be operative.



Because I know this works....You take care of the guitar noise and the preamp noise. Draw it out and follow the signal. There is a loop built into that NS-2 pedal for a reason and this is it.

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post Jul 24 2008, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 23 2008, 10:10 AM) *
Preamp through noisegate, eh? sounds like you'd lose alot of charm.
I wouldn't do that.

Andrew, your opinion?



Well I dunno if you answered me, but how many pedals and signalcables do you have? does your amp HUM even you when pull out ALL other cables than the powercable and head to cab?


Two pedals, four cables. My amp even hums when everything is out...

QUOTE (inertia @ Jul 23 2008, 08:41 PM) *
what type of guitar/pickups are you using? I have played a few single coils that buzz pretty loud, strats typically buzz a bit,
maybe if you could try a different type of guitar to isolate the issue


I have an Ibanez SA260FM. Dunno what the pickups are though..


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QUOTE (SonofDestiny @ Jul 24 2008, 10:28 AM) *
Two pedals, four cables. My amp even hums when everything is out...


I'd buy a net cleaner really. Like Ivan Said.
Well, the best option would naturally be a net seperation transformer, but I dunno how expensive they are.


QUOTE (USAMAN @ Jul 24 2008, 05:30 AM) *
Because I know this works....You take care of the guitar noise and the preamp noise. Draw it out and follow the signal. There is a loop built into that NS-2 pedal for a reason and this is it.


Ah, I just checked a pic of the NS-2. That's great man!


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