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post Jul 24 2008, 01:59 PM
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Ok, I know that with a higher impedance, you get a lesser current, and thus lower effect (wattage).
High imp=high load speaker, yes?

Is this good or bad? I mean, what defines a good speaker?
Can you please help me understand how good speakers are made, and how the impedance stuff works?

Appreciate it Andrew!

Edit:
I also wonder about the watt stuff.
Everyone's saying "50 watt speakers" etc, but that's just the voltage and current, and has seemingly nothing to do about the element itself (which is the load).

I'm just really confused on this subject.

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Edit again:
ALthough I know that the current also is derived from the impendace...
Again, I am messing around. lol... tongue.gif

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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 08:59 AM) *
Ok, I know that with a higher impedance, you get a lesser current, and thus lower effect (wattage).
High imp=high load speaker, yes?


A higher impedance is harder for the amp to drive, and for a given maximum voltage swing you will on average get less current, which reduces the wattage or power output. Impedance is not the same as resistance though, although the concepts are very similar, and you need to understand that the effect will be seen averaged out over time as the waveform rises and falls. speakers also have reactance which makes this a more complex subject, but essentially what I said above is correct.

However, most tube amps have different settings for different speakers that change the turns ratio of the output transformer to compensate for the reduced current by increasing the output voltage, thus driving the power back up.

QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 08:59 AM) *
Is this good or bad? I mean, what defines a good speaker?
Can you please help me understand how good speakers are made, and how the impedance stuff works?

Appreciate it Andrew!


Higher or lower impedance is neither good nor bad, it just reflects the way the speaker is designed. A bit like saying that a 4 cylinder engine is not better or worse than a 6 cylinder engine - they both do the same job. What is more important though is the sensitivity of the speaker - again a product of its design. A more sensitive speaker will sound louder for a given power input and that is usually regarded as being a good thing smile.gif

QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 08:59 AM) *
Edit:
I also wonder about the watt stuff.
Everyone's saying "50 watt speakers" etc, but that's just the voltage and current, and has seemingly nothing to do about the element itself (which is the load).

I'm just really confused on this subject.

Looking forward to your feedback smile.gif


50W for a speaker rating just tells you the maximum power the speaker can handle before it is damaged. You don;t have to put 50W through it. In contrast, 50W fort an amp is the maximum output you will get if you turn it fully up. Obviously you don;t want the maximum output of the amp to exceed the rating of the speaker but there is nothing wrong with running say a 15W amp into a 50W rated speaker - the speaker wil be fine, and the amp just won't come close to damaging it.

QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 08:59 AM) *
Edit again:
ALthough I know that the current also is derived from the impendace...
Again, I am messing around. lol... tongue.gif


The maths gets a little complicated, but the easiest way is to compare it to ohms law, meaning that the current is inversely proportonal to the impedance.


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 24 2008, 09:26 PM) *
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A higher impedance is harder for the amp to drive, and for a given maximum voltage swing you will on average get less current, which reduces the wattage or power output. Impedance is not the same as resistance though, although the concepts are very similar, and you need to understand that the effect will be seen averaged out over time as the waveform rises and falls. speakers also have reactance which makes this a more complex subject, but essentially what I said above is correct.

However, most tube amps have different settings for different speakers that change the turns ratio of the output transformer to compensate for the reduced current by increasing the output voltage, thus driving the power back up.



Higher or lower impedance is neither good nor bad, it just reflects the way the speaker is designed. A bit like saying that a 4 cylinder engine is not better or worse than a 6 cylinder engine - they both do the same job. What is more important though is the sensitivity of the speaker - again a product of its design. A more sensitive speaker will sound louder for a given power input and that is usually regarded as being a good thing smile.gif



50W for a speaker rating just tells you the maximum power the speaker can handle before it is damaged. You don;t have to put 50W through it. In contrast, 50W fort an amp is the maximum output you will get if you turn it fully up. Obviously you don;t want the maximum output of the amp to exceed the rating of the speaker but there is nothing wrong with running say a 15W amp into a 50W rated speaker - the speaker wil be fine, and the amp just won't come close to damaging it.



The maths gets a little complicated, but the easiest way is to compare it to ohms law, meaning that the current is inversely proportonal to the impedance.


I know all the trigonometry mate, hand me the complex stuff.
I know that resistance+reactans=impedance.

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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 24 2008, 03:41 PM) *
I know all the trigonometry mate, hand me the complex stuff.
I know that resistance+reactans=impedance.


There's a great Wikipedia page on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 24 2008, 09:45 PM) *
There's a great Wikipedia page on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance


Well anyway, I didn't really coem to you for math. Thanks though, I will surely check it out too!

A new question.
What does define a speaker to be good or not?
Also, why are speakers of different impedance?
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