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post Jul 25 2008, 02:34 AM
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I never really thought about what a professional did, to become a professional. tongue.gif.

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post Jul 25 2008, 02:54 AM
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I assume to be a professisional is when u start making music... idk


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post Jul 25 2008, 03:08 AM
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I assume you mean professional musician smile.gif
There's many ways to be professional, but one way to put it is that you are professional when you can work well with whatever style of music your facing, either in a studio-setting or in a jam-session with a band.
Another way to put it is that your a professional the minute you are paid to play smile.gif

There's many different roads to that point though. I would say hard work and dedication is the key.


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post Jul 25 2008, 04:12 AM
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The simplest explanation to the contents of the word "professional" is that you're one when you start earning money from it. In legat context (at least in Sweden) it's when you start paying tax and that's when passing 50,000 SEK (about 8300 USD or 5300 Euro) which is the limit where a hobby becomes work.

So going from amature to professional has nothing to do with how skilled you are a musician, just how skilled you are earning money from what you do wink.gif


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post Jul 25 2008, 04:34 AM
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Yup.. professionals.. are people whos profession is music.. making money.. and enough to live on.. which is usually a standard depending where you live.. its all about the money...


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post Jul 25 2008, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Jul 25 2008, 02:34 AM) *
I never really thought about what a professional did, to become a professional. tongue.gif.

So all input is obviously welcome.

A professional is one who makes money at something. This doesn't mean they necessarily have to be good at it... Others would define a professional as someone who is good at something; still being paid for it though.

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post Jul 25 2008, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Jul 25 2008, 03:34 AM) *
I never really thought about what a professional did, to become a professional. tongue.gif.
When you start working smile.gif

So all input is obviously welcome.



QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 25 2008, 05:12 AM) *
The simplest explanation to the contents of the word "professional" is that you're one when you start earning money from it. In legat context (at least in Sweden) it's when you start paying tax and that's when passing 50,000 SEK (about 8300 USD or 5300 Euro) which is the limit where a hobby becomes work.

So going from amature to professional has nothing to do with how skilled you are a musician, just how skilled you are earning money from what you do wink.gif

Yepp, that's it. It has nothing to do with skill. In many caces an I would prefer an amatuer because he does what he do because he loves it. A professional does it for a living.


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post Jul 25 2008, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Jul 25 2008, 08:18 AM) *
Yepp, that's it. It has nothing to do with skill. In many caces an I would prefer an amatuer because he does what he do because he loves it. A professional does it for a living.

Nothing stops a professional from loving what he's doing, and my belief is that you should only become a "professional" at something that you enjoy doing.

So yeah like others said, being professional is when you earn a decent living from it(no, getting paid 50 bucks for a pub preformance won't qualify you in my books tongue.gif)


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post Jul 25 2008, 11:02 AM
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Well I can't say it has nothing to do with skill, it sure has, but it is also important that a pro musician has a lot of contacts with people within the music business, and not only from lead stars, but also from managers, studios, record producers, other musicians and guitar players (although you will hardly get a job from them, specially if they are competition:) ) etc. As soon as you get a steady money flow over longer period of time, you can call yourself a pro musician. Of course by steady flow of money, I don't mean 100$ per month, although that is something too, perhaps semi-pro or something smile.gif

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post Jul 25 2008, 11:10 AM
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In my opinion you are professional musican when you can live with your money you earn by making music. (or it is your main income)
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post Jul 25 2008, 11:10 AM
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I thought professional guitarist were when people threw coins in my hat on the street..

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post Jul 25 2008, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Jul 25 2008, 04:08 AM) *
There's many different roads to that point though. I would say hard work and dedication is the key.


I absolutely agree. Being professional starts with your attitude, you have to be serious about what you are doing and you will for sure have to invest a lot of work into this. Only playing a gig and getting paid for this doesn't make you a professional.


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post Jul 25 2008, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Jul 25 2008, 03:34 AM) *
I never really thought about what a professional did, to become a professional. tongue.gif.

So all input is obviously welcome.


Profressional means to work with it. ahving it as a profession. You can suck, and still be a professional.
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post Jul 25 2008, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (Iluha @ Jul 25 2008, 11:37 AM) *
Nothing stops a professional from loving what he's doing, and my belief is that you should only become a "professional" at something that you enjoy doing.

So yeah like others said, being professional is when you earn a decent living from it(no, getting paid 50 bucks for a pub preformance won't qualify you in my books tongue.gif)

Yes. Things stop a professional from loving what he does. Having a "boss". If you are a professional you always have a "boss". The guy who has the money. Not being in control of content and quality. Deliver on a time schedule. Being bored after several years of same, same... and so forth.


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post Jul 25 2008, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Jul 25 2008, 02:40 PM) *
Yes. Things stop a professional from loving what he does. Having a "boss". If you are a professional you always have a "boss". The guy who has the money. Not being in control of content and quality. Deliver on a time schedule. Being bored after several years of same, same... and so forth.

If you get to a point that it's like you described, than you should quit, that's just my opinion tongue.gif


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post Jul 25 2008, 02:25 PM
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Hard work and dedication..Next stop is getting payed for your "music" work and keeping that thing going....And then you are a professional. smile.gif


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post Jul 25 2008, 02:30 PM
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2 separate meanings -

1. Earn money from it as many have said
2. Have a good attitude, be skilled, be able to work with others as a peer, be responsible for your own development, be reliable etc, much as Marcus said

I think these 2 get mixed up, in the English langauge at least


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When you play good enough so people call you and pay you for playing or recording with them.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 25 2008, 05:12 AM) *
So going from amature to professional has nothing to do with how skilled you are a musician, just how skilled you are earning money from what you do wink.gif


Agree,professional musician isn't always the skilled one.
However many amateur nut skilled players easily become
pros when they start earning to live by playing.

So keep working playing hard. smile.gif

QUOTE (Rooks @ Jul 25 2008, 12:10 PM) *
I thought professional guitarist were when people threw coins in my hat on the street..

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I guess that's another way to do it. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Iluha @ Jul 25 2008, 02:47 PM) *
If you get to a point that it's like you described, than you should quit, that's just my opinion tongue.gif

Yes. I'm speaking out of frustration at my current job. Last years I've started to regret that I ever turned an interest (computers) into work. And I would hate to see that happen to all of you (music). That said, ofc you can do what you love professionally. Atm I'm considering every other option of work that doesn't involve computers.


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