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Ramiro Delforte
post Aug 5 2008, 12:12 AM
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Try to compose in the style of...
For example: if you listen to Guthrie Govan - Wonderfull Slippery Thing is made all the first part with four chords (Bm-D7,9-F#maj7-G7alt). Try to make a rhythm guitar like that and then think in what can you add to that. You can compose that kind of song but in an upper tempo, with more chord changing, etc. If you want to write something with odd time meters you can listen to contemporary academic music like Bartok, Stravinsky, or some Steve Reich or the etudes for piano of Ligeti. You can listen to prog music but, rare prog music like Japanese prog (the www.progarchives.com is a good guide to listen to prog music). If you start from the melody you could listen to the great music from the XVII to the XIX century, like Beethoven (the sonatas, the symphonies), Mozart (sonatas and symphonies too), Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Bach is always a good choice. And try to think in odd meters, maybe is a good way to think a melody that is not like other melodies. In order to do that you can listen to world music. There are a few good collections out there, there is the World Music Library from King Records, the World library of folk and primitive music of Alan Lomax, the Nonesuch Explorer Series and the World Music Network. For example, the music of Bartok, Liszt, Janacek and Stravinky are very influenced by all the folk music from Hugary or Russia.
The compositional process is not something that I can explain in few lines but I think that I added a little more to the good advices that are posted before.
To conlude I recommend you a book of Arnold Schönberg - Fundamentals of Music Composition (there are the main topics like melody, theme and variation, the moods of the composition, and form)
I hope you find the information usefull.
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post Aug 5 2008, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Aug 5 2008, 01:12 AM) *
Try to compose in the style of...
For example: if you listen to Guthrie Govan - Wonderfull Slippery Thing is made all the first part with four chords (Bm-D7,9-F#maj7-G7alt). Try to make a rhythm guitar like that and then think in what can you add to that. You can compose that kind of song but in an upper tempo, with more chord changing, etc. If you want to write something with odd time meters you can listen to contemporary academic music like Bartok, Stravinsky, or some Steve Reich or the etudes for piano of Ligeti. You can listen to prog music but, rare prog music like Japanese prog (the www.progarchives.com is a good guide to listen to prog music). If you start from the melody you could listen to the great music from the XVII to the XIX century, like Beethoven (the sonatas, the symphonies), Mozart (sonatas and symphonies too), Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Bach is always a good choice. And try to think in odd meters, maybe is a good way to think a melody that is not like other melodies. In order to do that you can listen to world music. There are a few good collections out there, there is the World Music Library from King Records, the World library of folk and primitive music of Alan Lomax, the Nonesuch Explorer Series and the World Music Network. For example, the music of Bartok, Liszt, Janacek and Stravinky are very influenced by all the folk music from Hugary or Russia.
The compositional process is not something that I can explain in few lines but I think that I added a little more to the good advices that are posted before.
To conlude I recommend you a book of Arnold Schönberg - Fundamentals of Music Composition (there are the main topics like melody, theme and variation, the moods of the composition, and form)
I hope you find the information usefull.
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Great advice there, Ramiro! Thank you very much.

I will in the coming days see if I can get something down on paper and see where that leaves me.


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post Aug 5 2008, 02:29 AM
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This may sound strange, and I is along the same line that everyone else is saying,
But, I've noticed myself playing some strange (for me), and very interesting stuff after
I learn some random lessons here. What I'm saying is take some GMC lessons on things
you'd never play and Like Muris said if you play metal apply some weird jazz licks (metalized of course)
to your own style.. I used jazz as just an example, there are so many styles this will work with

Good Luck to you

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post Aug 5 2008, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Siggum @ Aug 1 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Lol ive began to suffer same, when i hear something i sometimes only think about the chordprogression, how they pan the instruments, what sound they use for drums and so on... laugh.gif

I think I take it a step further cause I disected every Beatles song written-both music and lyrics into all possible patterns, my "bible" as I call it...........not sure if this was normal behavior or not
I think I went a bit mental for about 3 months cause I didn't do much else but this!! huh.gif
Was it worth it?........my girl didn't think so!!! wink.gif I'd disagree, I enjoy breaking songs completely down and later going back once I've had time rest my mind.

Everybody approaches things different so for me it's a good reference.

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post Aug 5 2008, 09:29 PM
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On a side note, what you wrote in the subject is the exact same thing the pirate who had a rudder wheel sticking out from his crotch said - Aaaaar ...this is driving me nuts

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post Aug 5 2008, 09:31 PM
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Hahahaha! Good joke there.

Now to just be a bit open this is what I'm feeling at the moment:

I won't write any music 'till I find and have my own apartment and settle in and settle down there! I need some new surroundings and all. Maybe that will help.


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post Aug 6 2008, 08:13 PM
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Well mate, it is important to really know what you wanna create, what kind of music. Also try to dedicate some time of your practice schedule to just plain jamming, for liek an hour. This will lead to invention of new ideas and riffs. The try to find the riff you like hte most, and try to make a song out of it. It is not that hard. DOn't be hard on yourself if you haven't made anything "worthy" or anything (don't know how to put it, but I think you understand). Try to compose some less quality material to get you back on track and quality will come in time, depending the amount of effort you put into it.


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once again an inspiring quote from someone I can't remember

"Of everything you make 5% is workable, and maybe 1% of that is golden."

I can understand how difficult a writers block is (Had one during an month full of essays for school rolleyes.gif ) but you have to keep those creativity muscles (neurons, whatever you want to call 'em) active. writers block is annoying, creativity burn out is far worse.

keep jamming, but on the side do something creative, doing your guitar for example, or taking care of a bonsai garden (don't know where that came from blink.gif ). Just stay active, and try to stay creative.
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post Aug 6 2008, 09:46 PM
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Yeah, I'm trying to stay creative by doing some jams, collabs etc.

By the way... I think it all stems from the fact, that my project "Lex Naturae" at the moment isn't as good as I want it to be. 3 years ago, when I wrote it, I thought it was perfect, and I even got an offer to go and record it in some guys studio, but I was busy with school and all. Now when I hear it again, I don't think it's all that good, and I'm not satisfied with it. So I want to re-write all the songs. But whatever I write I feel it isn't good enough for the "mighty" "Lex Naturae". biggrin.gif


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post Aug 9 2008, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 1 2008, 01:21 AM) *
This is just taken of another forum, where I wrote the same some time back. I can't really put it any other way, so I thought I would just copy/paste it here.

Alright - this is driving me nuts.

For the past 1½ year or so I haven't written any music at all. Well, I have, but after listening to it 4 times I don't like it anymore. It's usually only like 4 beats of music and then...BANG, I don't like it anymore.
Before all this I have written tons of stuff (literally) - e.g. one full album that I was originally planning to record, but now I want to re-write all the music, because I think some of it isn't as good as it could be. Anyways:

Anyone has any advice on how to get me off this grand, grand writer's block-ish thingie? smile.gif


Sounds to me like you're in the middle of a growing process.
Maybe you should hold off the recording for a bit then?
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post Aug 13 2008, 04:10 AM
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I want to add something.
Music it's a language like is painting or cinema. And a language is about communication, so you can think about a mood or and action, something like racing with a car through a highway (like some of Satriani's songs do) and after you have that action/mood you can try to put it into music.
Try listening operas to understand this concept. In that way you'll see that the music is a reflexion of the text. Then try it to picture it with music that doesn't have text.
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post Aug 13 2008, 06:35 AM
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I think i am with Muris and Deeproots on this.

From the point of view that you shouldnt dismiss anything you come up with. I have a hardrive full of half baked idea's and little riffs. I use this as an idea bank.

I might come up with a little riff, not usuable at the moment. But a month might go by and i come up with a partial idea for a song, and going back thru my idea bank find some of the riffs i came up with would work as a second part/ counterpoint melody or something along those lines to an idea i want to develop.

Or even a blending of two riffs to make a new one that has all the things i need it to do and it is unique to myself. I think that as time goes by you start to realize that musicians are very hard on themselves, i would have to say i think most true musicians are perfectionists to some degree. It has to be exactly as they envision it or its not good....but i also appreciate and understand that some of the most memorable and long lasting songs of the past from other artists in alot of the cases are the most simplistic. But the delivery of them is unique. Don't ever discount any idea you might come up with...because you might be throwing away the next anthem.

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post Aug 13 2008, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ Aug 13 2008, 07:35 AM) *
I think i am with Muris and Deeproots on this.

From the point of view that you shouldnt dismiss anything you come up with. I have a hardrive full of half baked idea's and little riffs. I use this as an idea bank.

I might come up with a little riff, not usuable at the moment. But a month might go by and i come up with a partial idea for a song, and going back thru my idea bank find some of the riffs i came up with would work as a second part/ counterpoint melody or something along those lines to an idea i want to develop.

Or even a blending of two riffs to make a new one that has all the things i need it to do and it is unique to myself. I think that as time goes by you start to realize that musicians are very hard on themselves, i would have to say i think most true musicians are perfectionists to some degree. It has to be exactly as they envision it or its not good....but i also appreciate and understand that some of the most memorable and long lasting songs of the past from other artists in alot of the cases are the most simplistic. But the delivery of them is unique. Don't ever discount any idea you might come up with...because you might be throwing away the next anthem.

Daniel


This is very true, never dismiss anything you come up with as you might find use for it later.
I've done this mistake more than a few times or even trusting myself to remember certain riffs, but I can't remember them for the life of me now laugh.gif

I've also got quite the collection of riffs on my harddrive now, very good checking in on every now and then getting new ideas or using some old ones to get further in a song!
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Aug 13 2008, 05:10 AM) *
I want to add something.
Music it's a language like is painting or cinema. And a language is about communication, so you can think about a mood or and action, something like racing with a car through a highway (like some of Satriani's songs do) and after you have that action/mood you can try to put it into music.
Try listening operas to understand this concept. In that way you'll see that the music is a reflexion of the text. Then try it to picture it with music that doesn't have text.
I hope you find it usefull.
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Well, I have the mood I want to make music for, and the problem is that in my mind, I want that piece of music to be the most perfect music ever...

It's a concept me and a friend started working on ages ago. I have written music for it once, but I want to re-write it, but... I can't! Haha..

"Morning Horizon"
- January

Twelve, the number where everything must start
New years eve, forced december to depart
Now all lies in white, still the holiness endures
Innocence and peace, the nights fallen snow..
Will surely pursue.

"Forest"
- February

Eleven, the season where sun shows its face
Quietly, it lingers, over winters pale embrace
Casting silent shadows, over the trees dressed in white
As whispers from above, speak of will and silent might
Soon the snow will fade, and green is to foresee
Gentle lillies break the ground, and to the sun, vow their playful creed

"Manifest of Sun"
- March

Ten, and everything after will begin
Snow, thus hereby ends, and the birds start to sing
Coming of warmth, of hope - of joy
Sun-soaked soil, has winters overtake destroyed
Cheeping and chirping, with april lurking
Darkness slowly fades, and its bitterness blurring

Coming of a New Age
- April

"Nine, dressed in springfall's gown
Came flying through the blooming grounds
"Forth, come summer, and join me!
Let's make dream and day unite!"
With easter past, thus solstice next
Did april take it's turn, perplexed

"Finally"
- May

Eight, and the message of spring arrived
and with hope of heart, and heart at stake
did May break through, to reflect in every lake -
Forest and beach, everything in reach - deprived
was cold, hunger - hurt and strife
Finally cut, by summer's knife

"Beauty Regained"
- June

And so came seven, and seven won
The kindness of tomorrow's bonds
Hand in hand, with spring united
Through earth, wind, and fire - lighted,
in every heart, and every soul
As summer ran it's wishful role!

"Heat of The Moment"
- July

And fire burned, as the pages turned
The gentle breeze over once troubled waters, yearned
To cast its face upon the Earth
To seize the day, and to it give birth
As She danced over the fields of green
The green, that winter had foreseen..

"Second Coming"
- August

Blindly, five merely slept away
Barely listening to what the wind had to say
"Now this is purity - this is truth!"
It whispered softly, through august's youth
"Enjoy it while here, but beware of the season
As not even you can depart from autumn's treason."

"Truth"
- September

Four still dreamed, when the clouds started to settle
As they shadowed the sun, and the rain fell bitter but gentle
Finally awake, the wind tore its turn
As deep within, the loss of summer burned
"Slept through seeping of suresome virtue,
Tranquillity through denial, truth finally bursts through"

"Departure"
- October

Redly shades on yellow fascades
hurt brought Three through its mourning days
As the pale sun, in pale'r sky of spoke:
"Leave now, this shattered scene unbroke"
While the haunting beauty; falling leaves showered the fields;
a fading funeral portrait, where sorrow yields

"Void"
- November

Drained of life, two started to die
the withering beauty of october, deprived
Still thicker clouds, paving the dying fields in black
death finally arrived, to set in the last attack
With november fading, the last sight is clear
Barren lands, where life once thrived - life that lives no longer here

"Paradise.. Lost?"
- December

When all is lost, and time stands still
One thing is to remember, still
As the heavens cries its tears of white
To once gain make balance unite
"As to be warmth, there must be cold"
Once again, to shape the Earthly mold


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