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post Aug 5 2008, 01:26 AM
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I am not sure if my question is clear, but I am trying to learn how alternate between timings when soloing. From many solos I've heard, this seems to be a crucial skill, and I'm not sure the best way is to learn/practice this. Are there some beginner/intermediate lessons that focus on this.

What I mean is for example going from sixteenth notes, to sixteenth note triplets, back to sixteenth notes in a passage but keeping the timing through the whole thing.

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I have a lesson on this topic, here it is.

Of course it's just pure exercise on how to split between
all those timings,goal is to apply similar ideas into your own playing. smile.gif


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post Aug 5 2008, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 4 2008, 05:44 PM) *
I have a lesson on this topic, here it is.

Of course it's just pure exercise on how to split between
all those timings,goal is to apply similar ideas into your own playing. smile.gif



Cool - that's perfect. One question though on the first excercise - How do you normally count those quarter note triplets to a quarter note metronome since there's not a multiple of 3 per beat like there are on the 8th and 16th note triplets . I had never seen that count and Kris didn't cover that on his Metronome lesson.

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post Aug 5 2008, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Aug 5 2008, 06:25 AM) *
Cool - that's perfect. One question though on the first excercise - How do you normally count those quarter note triplets to a quarter note metronome since there's not a multiple of 3 per beat like there are on the 8th and 16th note triplets . I had never seen that count and Kris didn't cover that on his Metronome lesson.

Thanks for the great excercise


Spot on ,quarter note triplets are probably the most
tricky to count if metronome is clicking quarter notes.
Basicly it's 3 quarter notes played over a 4/4 bar,
which means 3 notes instead of 4.
In this lesson you will find it easy to play
cause I programmed drums to play the
same time pattern.
But it's same idea as 8th triplets over 16ths,which is 3 against 4 once again.
Only problem here is that notes are pretty longer and harder to trace. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 5 2008, 10:32 AM) *
Spot on ,quarter note triplets are probably the most
tricky to count if metronome is clicking quarter notes.
Basicly it's 3 quarter notes played over a 4/4 bar,
which means 3 notes instead of 4.
In this lesson you will find it easy to play
cause I programmed drums to play the
same time pattern.
But it's same idea as 8th triplets over 16ths,which is 3 against 4 once again.
Only problem here is that notes are pretty longer and harder to trace. smile.gif


In other words, you'd be picking halfway between each metronome click... like click.. 1.. click.. 2.. click.. 3.. click.., am I right or wrong? tongue.gif I usually don't have timing difficulties when I play but then again I don't think much about what I'm doing usually. So it's nice to go over now and then.


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QUOTE (JVM @ Aug 5 2008, 06:38 PM) *
In other words, you'd be picking halfway between each metronome click... like click.. 1.. click.. 2.. click.. 3.. click.., am I right or wrong? tongue.gif I usually don't have timing difficulties when I play but then again I don't think much about what I'm doing usually. So it's nice to go over now and then.


Just like that,between click but not in the middle of them.
First one goes with first click of course,
second one goes right after second click
and third one goes right before fourth click. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 5 2008, 12:49 PM) *
Just like that,between click but not in the middle of them.
First one goes with first click of course,
second one goes right after second click
and third one goes right before fourth click. smile.gif


Ahh of course. Its helpful to write it down sometimes. Mixing up your speed and timing is a great way to help write interesting runs and licks.


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post Aug 5 2008, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 5 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Just like that,between click but not in the middle of them.
First one goes with first click of course,
second one goes right after second click
and third one goes right before fourth click. smile.gif



i'm with you - Its good o'le math : 33.333333333333333333333% the way through for each triplet note on a quarter note measure. Am I wrong, but on your intro video(video #1) does the drum track change(or Reset) when you move from quarter notes to the quarter note triplets - sounds to me like it does. Curious if I am hearing things, or wondering why you didn't use the same track between the two and just have it run continually.


Definitely a challenge - but one of the first thing I need to get in order at this point in my playing.

Thanks for your help,
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Of course I cannot post an entire section of Guthrie Govan knowledge here, but he has a great part in his book "Creative Guitar I" explaining this and how to count it. There are about 100 other reasons to buy the book (or two books (Creative Guitar I and II)), as those are some of the best instruction books I have come across.


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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:17 PM) *
i'm with you - Its good o'le math : 33.333333333333333333333% the way through for each triplet note on a quarter note measure. Am I wrong, but on your intro video(video #1) does the drum track change(or Reset) when you move from quarter notes to the quarter note triplets - sounds to me like it does. Curious if I am hearing things, or wondering why you didn't use the same track between the two and just have it run continually.


Definitely a challenge - but one of the first thing I need to get in order at this point in my playing.

Thanks for your help,
Michael


You actually counted it right Michael. smile.gif
And drum track does change in order to play same
rhythmics every time we switch the timing value.
I could have used the same drum groove all the time tho
but I was afraid that some members might have
problems to play it with that kind of backing,that's all.
But you gave me an idea tho,I'll do next lesson on this topic,
with same groove throughout,like an extension of this lesson,thanks! smile.gif

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 5 2008, 10:39 PM) *
Of course I cannot post an entire section of Guthrie Govan knowledge here, but he has a great part in his book "Creative Guitar I" explaining this and how to count it. There are about 100 other reasons to buy the book (or two books (Creative Guitar I and II)), as those are some of the best instruction books I have come across.


+1 Excellent books,no doubt there! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 6 2008, 12:34 PM) *
+1 Excellent books,no doubt there! smile.gif


But we wouldn't want to give a reason for leaving GMC to anyone. So stick to GMC and get your answer laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 6 2008, 01:11 PM) *
But we wouldn't want to give a reason for leaving GMC to anyone. So stick to GMC and get your answer laugh.gif


Well,you don't get GG with the book to answer all the questions,
GMC rules , 1:0. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 6 2008, 03:34 AM) *
You actually counted it right Michael. smile.gif
And drum track does change in order to play same
rhythmics every time we switch the timing value.
I could have used the same drum groove all the time tho
but I was afraid that some members might have
problems to play it with that kind of backing,that's all.
But you gave me an idea tho,I'll do next lesson on this topic,
with same groove throughout,like an extension of this lesson,thanks! smile.gif

Thanks - That would be helpful, as it would help with changing timing within a song, during a lead


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Also you can check out my whole pentatonic series lessons. Most of them have half notes, quarter notes, eight notes, shuffled rhythm, and sixteen notes timings covered, which really lead to knowing your timing well. I hope you find them useful smile.gif


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 6 2008, 04:11 AM) *
But we wouldn't want to give a reason for leaving GMC to anyone. So stick to GMC and get your answer laugh.gif


I just ordered the first book. From what I read about it, I can't see how it interferes with GMC. It seems the book concentrates on different ways to see things, but not necessarily all the mechanics of playing. I love GMC and will continue to use it as my main source of practice info, but I think there is something to be said about a book that helps you with creating a unique style in a comprehensive manner and helps you focus on what you should be working on in the proper order, especially when you feel you are in a rut(Like I feel).

As I mentioned in another post, GMC has a wealth of info, but with all that info it becomes a bit overwhelming for someone who doesn't have a strong foundation in guitar like me, who needs more one on one guidance.

This book will be a great companion to GMC in my opinion(But what do I know): I am hoping it will direct me better on what GMC lessons I need to focus on, as I feel a bit lost at this point.


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True.

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