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post Aug 5 2008, 06:34 PM
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Hi guys,

I think I have learned a lot since I've been on GMC(almost a year) , I have improved my techinque dramatically, I understand a lot of theory, of course I have a long way to mastering my instrument but the important thing is that I have the motivation to do it , with passion and with feeling.

So I want to take my playing to the next level , and I just can't stop listening to guys like Guthrie Govan, Greg Howe. I want to go there, I want to go inside the world of fusion. Of course Im going to start practicing the fusion lesson here at GMC. But I really want to understand fusion and to be able to create my own music. Thats why I ask for your help guys. Any help is more than welcome , and thanks advance.


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post Aug 5 2008, 07:37 PM
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I'm surely NOT fusion master
but I will try to give you some advices of course. smile.gif

Fusion as a word means mix or synthesis of
couple of different things.
In music world,specially guitar world,
it's usually another word for rock-jazz but
you can throw many other things in there as well.

The way I see Fusion is to have tight rhythm section,
someone would say that Jazz also requires the same.
Absolutely but I thinking of more energy from rhythm section,
heavier playing sort of speech. smile.gif

Then you slowly adding more freedom to your playing,
you are not stick with one or two scales,
you combine more of them as progression goes,
you combine lots of different techniques as well
(hybrid picking is probably the trademark) etc.

It is really hard to explain what Fusion is
until you actually learn to play some licks from
real masters and realize the point of it,
which is usually kind of rock with more options and freedom,imo. smile.gif



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Thanks a lot for your answer Muris. Im listening a lot to "true" masters as you say(I would say you're a fusion master too but that is not the discussion here) , trying to get my ear comfortable to what I listen. Im also practicing the fusion lessons here at GMC, and next thing Im going to do is to create my own fusion tracks. I really apreciate your help, thanks a lot.


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post Aug 5 2008, 08:27 PM
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Anytime. smile.gif

I strongly advice you to record a lot
over certain backing tracks and post it
somewhere in forum,then we could discuss about it
and even get more people interested into! smile.gif


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post Aug 5 2008, 09:34 PM
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I'm not sure if Muris covered this, but I don't think so.

One thing that I feel is important in fusion is to play with conviction and confidence. Especially if you are playing outside of the certain key, outside the scales, using a lot of passing notes etc. Then confidence is a key factor. Otherwise it's not necersarily going to sound all that good.

That said, anything played with conviction and confidence sounds better than played without.

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post Aug 5 2008, 10:40 PM
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I'm also interessted in fusion.
Is there anything you could recommend to start with ? Or share a good backingtrack for fusion ?
How much theory knowledge is necessary in fusion ? Because I'm sure it's gonna be pretty hard without much theory knowledge.
Are there any common scales that are used in fusion ?


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post Aug 5 2008, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 5 2008, 10:34 PM) *
That said, anything played with conviction and confidence sounds better than played without.


Absolutely. smile.gif

QUOTE (chast @ Aug 5 2008, 11:40 PM) *
I'm also interessted in fusion.
Is there anything you could recommend to start with ? Or share a good backingtrack for fusion ?
How much theory knowledge is necessary in fusion ? Because I'm sure it's gonna be pretty hard without much theory knowledge.
Are there any common scales that are used in fusion ?


Well Fusion is really complex genre since it involves
lots of different stuff,styles and more.
I can't tell what is the bottom line of theory knowledge
for Fusion but it's pretty high,that's for sure. smile.gif
Scales used in Fusion are all those common scales we play everyday
but with more mixing and chromatic as well.
Hard to recommend something to start with,
play some blues,rock,smooth jazz,modern jazz etc
then try to combine everything you've learn into
one moment of your playing,that would be Fusion. smile.gif

I'll open Fusion Topic in my sub-board
so we could upload backings and our takes in there,
then discuss and learn few things.
Once again,I'm far away from being master in this field
but I'll try my best to give you some basic advices and suggestions. smile.gif

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Awesome, the "fusion training board", I'll take part for sure! Thanks Muris wink.gif
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post Aug 5 2008, 11:10 PM
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I would say a good starting place for learning Fusion is making sure you understand your theory very strongly.


Playing Fusion requires a dedication to tonal mastery to know exactly how to draw outside the lines and make it sound good requires strong theory skills.

I don't know if you do yet or not but a good starting point would be to make sure you know all the names of the notes on the fretboard forwards and backwards. Know when you land on fret X on Y string that its Note Z without much counting or thinking about it.


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post Aug 5 2008, 11:18 PM
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Some good stuff to start out with smile.gif
So I'm gonna learn the notes on the fretboard for the strings that I didn't learn so far (d,g and b-string) ^^
What I also going to try to do is putting chromatics in my playing, which I wanted to do anyways, but never did huh.gif
And what I also think is important for fusion, well at least what I heard when listening to fusion players, is a really solid timing (skipping notes, being able to play the same licks with different timings and so on)
And getting more into theory wink.gif

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 5 2008, 03:34 PM) *
I'm not sure if Muris covered this, but I don't think so.

One thing that I feel is important in fusion is to play with conviction and confidence. Especially if you are playing outside of the certain key, outside the scales, using a lot of passing notes etc. Then confidence is a key factor. Otherwise it's not necersarily going to sound all that good.

That said, anything played with conviction and confidence sounds better than played without.


Thanks for the advice, and I think that aplies to every genre not only to fusion.

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 5 2008, 05:03 PM) *
Well Fusion is really complex genre since it involves
lots of different stuff,styles and more.
I can't tell what is the bottom line of theory knowledge
for Fusion but it's pretty high,that's for sure. smile.gif
Scales used in Fusion are all those common scales we play everyday
but with more mixing and chromatic as well.
Hard to recommend something to start with,
play some blues,rock,smooth jazz,modern jazz etc
then try to combine everything you've learn into
one moment of your playing,that would be Fusion. smile.gif

I'll open Fusion Topic in my sub-board
so we could upload backings and our takes in there,
then discuss and learn few things.
Once again,I'm far away from being master in this field
but I'll try my best to give you some basic advices and suggestions. smile.gif


Awesome , thanks! wink.gif

QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ Aug 5 2008, 05:10 PM) *
I would say a good starting place for learning Fusion is making sure you understand your theory very strongly.


Playing Fusion requires a dedication to tonal mastery to know exactly how to draw outside the lines and make it sound good requires strong theory skills.

I don't know if you do yet or not but a good starting point would be to make sure you know all the names of the notes on the fretboard forwards and backwards. Know when you land on fret X on Y string that its Note Z without much counting or thinking about it.


Daniel


I haven't learnt all the notes on the fretboard but Im on my way. Thanks for the advice Daniel.


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post Aug 5 2008, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ Aug 6 2008, 12:10 AM) *
I would say a good starting place for learning Fusion is making sure you understand your theory very strongly.


Playing Fusion requires a dedication to tonal mastery to know exactly how to draw outside the lines and make it sound good requires strong theory skills.

I don't know if you do yet or not but a good starting point would be to make sure you know all the names of the notes on the fretboard forwards and backwards. Know when you land on fret X on Y string that its Note Z without much counting or thinking about it.


Daniel


Just like that,hard to add anything here,thanks Daniel! smile.gif


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