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Vinod Saranga
post Aug 9 2008, 12:59 PM
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Very true !
It's still true for classical guitar smile.gif

Mindset is very important in playing fast.
Listening to Paco de Lucia and other flamenco fast runs always makes the
right mind set I need.

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post Aug 10 2008, 01:15 PM
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As Muris always says: The sky is the limit. smile.gif

However true, the mind IS indeed also a highly prominent limit. One thing is muscle memory, another thing is mind forwardness. If you want to play fast, you must be extremely conscious of what you are playing. Or else you will fail long runs because your hands may be set to it but your mind will ruin it due to consciousness.
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post Aug 14 2008, 09:17 PM
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I've practiced like this for a while now, and I thank yee, Marcus, for this topic! smile.gif

Picking motion seems like the same, but it is not the same: When playing slower stuff I don't only move my wrist, I also wiggle and turn to get different sounds/attacks - especially when playing the blues.

If you think your technique is flawless at a certain speed, playing a lot faster will definately pull you down!
You might experience tensions, aches and lack of muscle control..
When you get back to your own speed, work on those issues, relatively slowly, until you can play flawlessly again, even if you play somewhat faster than you use to.

It's like a sinus wave! laugh.gif


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post Aug 15 2008, 08:51 AM
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Another thing i noticed about speed, at least for myself is its odd how the mind thinks even with slight changes.

I don't know how to explain it too well, but for instance there are things i can't play fast at all if my hand is turned a certain way. A very slight correction, with hand angle and i can play something i can't play the other way. You wouldnt think that less than 10mm movement would make that much of a difference but it does!

Maybe for some of you having problems with speed barriers should try slight adjustments of your hand angle...or pick angle...or even how you hold the guitar. Who knows you might just find that trigger!


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post Aug 15 2008, 05:31 PM
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I must try this.... * setting metronome 300 bpm, with Muris' Extreme Neo-classical lesson*

No, no, seriously, I must try this biggrin.gif


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post Aug 17 2008, 10:41 AM
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I like to give my hands, and ears a challenge. I always find that to work for me. So I agree with Marcus.
Always push yourself farther, and harder if your really want to succed, and exceed that speed.


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post Aug 17 2008, 11:12 AM
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I downloaded screaming fingers for $15, and my hand sync and speed has developed a lot just in the last week.
With my small pointed v-pick I`ll be shredding faster than Yngwie in no time smile.gif

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post Aug 21 2008, 08:27 PM
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i actually started to do this and have seen great improvements thanks a lot.
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post Aug 24 2008, 07:18 PM
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I have noticed when i play very fast and the go down to comfortable speed it takes a while to adapt to the slower speeds. Its like my hands wants to play faster then what i am supposed to play


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post Aug 27 2008, 03:01 PM
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It's a lil' bit Off-Topic now, but I have got a lack of motivation with alternate picking practice at the moment. I just don't know what licks to practice, the ones I just practiced a few days just get too fast too boring. It would help if someone more experienced than me could post a link of maybe a GMC lesson with some licks to practice, maybe neoclassical... just get me back to motivation. biggrin.gif

Thanks for answering and sorry for Off-Topic.


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QUOTE (Nazgul @ Aug 27 2008, 04:01 PM) *
It's a lil' bit Off-Topic now, but I have got a lack of motivation with alternate picking practice at the moment. I just don't know what licks to practice, the ones I just practiced a few days just get too fast too boring. It would help if someone more experienced than me could post a link of maybe a GMC lesson with some licks to practice, maybe neoclassical... just get me back to motivation. biggrin.gif

Thanks for answering and sorry for Off-Topic.


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post Aug 30 2008, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (Marcus Lavendell @ Aug 7 2008, 02:48 PM) *
Dear friends,

I had a discussion with few of my students recently about developing speed, and I just want to share my thoughts on this subject with you guys as well smile.gif

Practicing at slow speed and articulate is definitely a good way to prevent playing sloppy, - but that in itself won’t make you play fast unless you know what it’s like to play fast.

You must get in the feel of what it’s like to play fast before you can do it, because it’s a whole different thing mentally!

So every once in a while, put the metronome at 300 bpm (or whatever) even if you know you’ll probably miss 80% of the notes, but do the best you can though. This will give you an idea of what it’s like to play that fast (even if it doesn't sound very good), and you’ll get a much clearer picture of what you will need to learn to do with your fingers.

This in combination with practicing articulate and slow is the best way I know to get fast results.


Now, lets hear your thoughts on this!
Feel free to agree or to disagree of course smile.gif



Great topic !!! I absolutely agree, it's important to play it slow but you need to put metronome at 300 (well maybe not as fast !!) to avoid the brain-limit smile.gif
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post Aug 31 2008, 02:46 AM
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I have a question, what's the best way to build arm strength for down picking? For example I can play Metallica's Master of Puppets up to speed for a few seconds but my arm tires out too fast. Have any tips?
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post Aug 31 2008, 05:46 AM
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QUOTE (Jaymz @ Aug 31 2008, 07:16 AM) *
I have a question, what's the best way to build arm strength for down picking? For example I can play Metallica's Master of Puppets up to speed for a few seconds but my arm tires out too fast. Have any tips?


Usually the upstroke is the weaker one in most guitar players.Practising few excercises that is concentrated on developing upstrokes (Such as upstrokes only drills) help many people to get a fast alternate picking.

Downstrokes are powerful than upstrokes in many cases.So if you think your downstrokes are weaker you should practise more alternative picking excercises.

Here are some great lessons in GMC to strenghten your picking hand

alternate workout by Muris

Alternate picking series by Pavel



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post Oct 2 2008, 12:44 AM
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OMG dude this forum helped me out so much, in the past month i can actually sweep and play like 50% faster. thanks a lot!
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post Oct 2 2008, 12:57 AM
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yes marcus, i agree with slow and articulate playing, you are also correct in saying '' you won,t know how it feels to play fast if you don,t try it, cause that,s the last thing guitar players want is to be sloppy and only discipline will over come this!!!!
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post Oct 2 2008, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (Guitarist16 @ Oct 2 2008, 01:44 AM) *
OMG dude this forum helped me out so much, in the past month i can actually sweep and play like 50% faster. thanks a lot!

I'm happy to hear that! smile.gif
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