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post Aug 11 2008, 07:03 PM
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So I got the idea this morning that I wanted to write a song with a sort of middle eastern feel (I've liked stuff like that for a while).

So can anyone give me some scales that might help me out? I know the phrygian and harmonic minor should work well but if anyone knows any other ones it would be nice.

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post Aug 11 2008, 07:56 PM
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Harmonic minor and it's modes.....
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post Aug 11 2008, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Enucleation @ Aug 11 2008, 01:03 PM) *
So I got the idea this morning that I wanted to write a song with a sort of middle eastern feel (I've liked stuff like that for a while).

So can anyone give me some scales that might help me out? I know the phrygian and harmonic minor should work well but if anyone knows any other ones it would be nice.

Thanks


Look at some of Hisham's stuff. Muris Oriental Shred. Take a look at Ivan's Macedonian for electric, that is real nice, and very authentic sounding (I know Macedonia is not middle eastern per see but it was part of the Ottoman Empire and the influence is there). Also some of Gabriel's stuff. Such as f-shart phrygian, that is neat. Gabriel is great with this kind of thing, even though he does not advertise it as middle eastern, it has a flavor sometimes, and he always comes up with a great composition.

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post Aug 11 2008, 08:21 PM
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Although I am very much a guitar noob and know pretty much nothing of scales. I would like to say that songs with an middle eastern and oriental always seem to be very catchy.

I just listened to Opeth - Closure. And just realized (while browsing around this thread) how much that added to the song and how catchy it becomes.

So I would like to say, If used properly these scales can be awesome and I'm very curious what other scales can give that flavour as well smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2008, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Aug 11 2008, 08:56 PM) *
Harmonic minor and it's modes.....

Rather phrygian dominant and Dorian #4 from what I've noticed. Harmonic minor in itself is more of a classical thing.
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post Aug 11 2008, 08:39 PM
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Like Kjutte said Phrygian Dominant would probably be your best bet. Believe its a Phrygian scale with a major third i think ha? im no theory buff


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post Aug 11 2008, 08:41 PM
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Try Hishams Ajosha scale lesson, I love the sound of that!
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post Aug 11 2008, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (RandomVictim @ Aug 11 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Like Kjutte said Phrygian Dominant would probably be your best bet. Believe its a Phrygian scale with a major third i think ha? im no theory buff


correct. sharp 3rd compared to phrygian.
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post Aug 11 2008, 10:47 PM
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Ajosha lesson is an a middle eastern scale


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post Aug 12 2008, 01:14 AM
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My vote for phrygian dominant. You can build a nice harmony around that center.


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post Aug 12 2008, 04:07 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Aug 11 2008, 08:08 PM) *
f-shart phrygian


Dude! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif Sorry, excuse my toilet humor.

All the scales and modes mentioned work great.


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post Aug 13 2008, 12:12 AM
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There is a book by J.P. Befumo called Exotic Scales. In this book you have all the common scales and the uncommon too, like the "enigmatic scale". You recognize the eastern sounding by the augmented intervals, like the harmonic minor and the augmented 2nd between the VI and VII degree.
Also you can explore the posibilities of the intervals and "create" scales of 5, 6,7 ot 8 notes. It's a good exercise, Allan Holdsworth did it to find the scales that he uses (he found the same scales that we all know) but is a nice way to create a concious ear about this topic.
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post Aug 13 2008, 01:15 AM
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Phyrigian dominant and this one, the double harmonic scale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_scale

since they only differ a note, you can easily modulate between them...

I first found about the double harmonic scale when trying to figure out which scale was used in Misirlou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIU0RMV_II8

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post Aug 13 2008, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (Hisham Al-Sanea @ Aug 11 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Ajosha lesson is an a middle eastern scale


HOLY CRAP! I can't thank you enough. Why didn't I look at this or learn this scale before!? I'm getting all kinds of ideas from this.

My favorite scale may have just been replaced (sorry harmonic minor XD)


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post Aug 13 2008, 05:22 PM
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Hungarian minor is an eastern sounding one
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post Aug 13 2008, 05:51 PM
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Here's a few funky scales for you to play around with

East Indian Purvi

E|---------------------------
G|-----------------------4-5-
B|-------------------1-3-----
D|-------------1-2-3---------
A|-------1-2-3---------------
E|-0-1-4---------------------

Arabian

E|-----------------------------
G|-------------------------4-5-
B|-------------------2-3-5-----
D|-------------1-2-4-----------
A|-------0-1-3-----------------
E|-0-2-4-----------------------

Balinese

E|-------------------------
G|-------------------------
B|-------------------2-3-5-
D|-------------2-3-5-------
A|-------0-1-3-------------
E|-0-1-3-------------------

Persian

E|-----------------
G|-----------------
B|-----------------
D|-------------1-2-
A|-------0-1-3-----
E|-0-1-4-----------

Byzantine

E|-----------------------------
G|-------------------------4-5-
B|-------------------2-4-5-----
D|-------------1-2-3-----------
A|-------0-2-3-----------------
E|-0-1-4-----------------------


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