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post Aug 13 2008, 03:39 AM
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Ok now this is an important question for me. I know most people here are very musically talented so I know I will get a ton of great answers to this somewhat embarassing problem of mine.

I can play a song if I get a tab and practice it a few times. I can even learn the solos. My only problem is writing songs and improvising solos because...I don't know anything about Keys or Scales. Can someone please help me find a technique to learn these things effectively so I can improvise better?

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post Aug 13 2008, 06:39 AM
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I am pretty much in the same position as you are. My main advice (from others, and my own experience so far) is to play the scale in as many different ways as you possibly can. Whether that be descending, running across each string (individually), coming up with your own runs, or playing "diagonally" (If you can guess what that means). Exploring in all sorts of different patterns trying not to think of the standard positions you would find. But, trying more to think of intervals and how to get from one note to the next..... Now if only I would incorporate my own advice into my own playing laugh.gif .
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post Aug 13 2008, 06:49 AM
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Of course another place to start is to read thru, and ask questions on Andrew Cockburns theory board if you have a question about a particular key or scale.

The other advice i give quite often is "Know thy fretboard". Learn the names of all the notes on the fretboard, if you do this applying even a little bit of theory will go a long way because you will be able to construct phrases easier if you know what note is being played on any given fret.


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post Aug 13 2008, 10:37 AM
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If you lack some theory knowledge, it is best to check out the Theory Board. There you will find Andrew's theory lessons and can ask any questions if you don't understand anything, and we will answer immediately.


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post Aug 13 2008, 08:18 PM
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Here is what you need to do. Learn the minor pentatonic in all keys and boxes. Then learn the major scale. After you learn these two scales you will know 90% of the theory every modern song uses. It will take years. Good luck!
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:23 PM
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I agree- start learning from the theory board- it will open doors i promise!

Whenever you come across a new scale in the theory board, commit yourself to learn the scale in all of its boxes and know how to move each one so that it is in a different key.

Start from the beginning and ask the relevant questions as you progress- you'll be a theory guru in no time wink.gif
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post Aug 14 2008, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Aug 13 2008, 09:18 PM) *
It will take years.

Indeed.
But you will get far in a six months time!
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post Aug 17 2008, 11:59 PM
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For something you can work with offline, check out the Fretboard Logic package by Bill Edwards. His book is the gold standard for learning the logic of the fretboard. It helped me greatly to understand the CAGED system and strategies for using it.

You can read about it at his website, http://www.billedwards.com and they are available at virtually all music stores.


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post Aug 18 2008, 08:03 AM
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You should take a look to Andrew's lessons. You can write a song having no idea of theory but theory will give you a solid ground where develop your ideas.

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post Aug 18 2008, 08:38 AM
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You can check Andrew's lessons and wait for some lessons of mine that are going to be uploaded soon.
My first lesson start with some simple chord progression and one scale but the upcomming lessons are more complex and I use more scales uppon a single chord.
Your question is also a matter of style. In heavy metal you use some scales and in jazz others. For example, in Blues you can use the pentatonic with blue note and in heavy metal is more common the pentatonic without the add of the blue note.
Try listening to solos and figure out the scales by ear. In that way you get used to listen the scales and it's not only theoretical.
I hope it was usefull.
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