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Kristofer Dahl
post Aug 15 2008, 11:18 AM
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Hi there,

I am sure most of you have noticed we have got an incredible amount of metal lessons!

Thanks to our extremely skilled instructors we are starting to get good coverage of different metal sub-genres.

In order to make our archive more comprehensible, and easier to navigate - we are curently thinking of ways to split our largest categories. The thing is - I am not sure I know enough about metal sub-genres to do the classifying by myself! unsure.gif

So my question to you is - how would you like to split the metal section on the video lessons page?

The tricky part is understanding and identifying which are the biggest metal sub-genres at GMC..! Examples of some sub-genres would be speed/thrash metal, power metal, heavy/classic metal (?), progressive metal etc.

Let's say that a sub-category needs to have at least 10 gmc lessons in it for it to qualify!

All help is appreciated! smile.gif


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post Aug 15 2008, 11:21 AM
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This is an excellent idea, but I really don't know much about metal sub-genres either, so let's hear what our metalheads say smile.gif

But there really seems to be alot of Modern Metal, Heavy Metal and progressive, so maybe something in that direction smile.gif

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post Aug 15 2008, 11:46 AM
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I think Powermetal would indeed be a great first section.
I think we also have a few Death Metal lessons? So maybe also death metal.
And offcourse the classic metal à la Iron Maiden, ...


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post Aug 15 2008, 12:00 PM
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In theory a great idea, but not as easy as it might sound like. There are so many subgenres in metal that it can become very tricky. Take Blind Guardian for example, we have been labled Speedmetal, Heavy Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, Epic Metal, Melodic Metal, Thrash Metal... I consider us to be metal tongue.gif
As I said, basically a good idea, I am just afraid that we might end up with 100 subgenres here.


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post Aug 15 2008, 12:03 PM
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Uhm, hasn't Gabriel done some Progressive? I know Marcus has done a lot of Neoclassical, I believe we have some power metal, Pavel done some of it if I remember correctly.

But almost the same topic. You should divide the theory board and create applied theory as well. I mean, that would fit a lot of Davids lessons and it would also be a good way to move from etc. Andrews lessons on scales and arpeggios to pavels ionian scale boxes and Muris lesson on diminished arpeggios. That way you would understand what you are learning + getting the theory in your muscle memory!

Maybe divide the metal in riffing/soloing? Maybe for each genre you could add a theory sub-genre? like the theory behind funk, behind metal, the foundations of rock, blues, bluegrass etc.


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post Aug 15 2008, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Aug 15 2008, 01:00 PM) *
In theory a great idea, but not as easy as it might sound like. There are so many subgenres in metal that it can become very tricky. Take Blind Guardian for example, we have been labled Speedmetal, Heavy Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, Epic Metal, Melodic Metal, Thrash Metal... I consider us to be metal tongue.gif
As I said, basically a good idea, I am just afraid that we might end up with 100 subgenres here.


Yes I see what you mean. Also I personally can't stand categorising of music! This makes this even harder for me.

However this is inevitable for GMC as the video lessons pages will be almost useless when a category contains 25 sub-pages or more.

The good thing is that we don't need to do the kind of labelling which cd-stores need to. In other words we can place different Blind Guardian lessons into different categories. You guys are obviously very versatile in your writing and that should also be reflected in our categorising.

Also because sub-categorising can get subjective - we will start by grouping closely related sub-genres (an example of that would be speed and thrash). This is inevitable as many sub-categories probably don't have 10 GMC lessons yet!


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post Aug 15 2008, 02:16 PM
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just generalize most genre's or stick them together because they are similar. Maybe something along these lines.

Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.
The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other catagories goes here.


This is just a quick idea that can give an nice overview without having hundreds of subpages.

Hope this helps,
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post Aug 15 2008, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE (JeroenKole @ Aug 15 2008, 02:16 PM) *
just generalize most genre's or stick them together because they are similar. Maybe something along these lines.

Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.
The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other catagories goes here.


This is just a quick idea that can give an nice overview without having hundreds of subpages.

Hope this helps,
J


Yes, I think this kind of a system could work, it could get really confusing if we would have dozens of sub-genre pages.


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post Aug 15 2008, 03:32 PM
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Thanks Jeroen - it definitely feels like we are approaching a solution. Does anybody have anything to add?


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post Aug 15 2008, 05:01 PM
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too many subgenres of metal, simple classifications would be nice. i don't really have a suggestion, im sorta with Marcus, its so hard to classify metal. but simple classifications like JeroenKole said would work.































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post Aug 15 2008, 05:08 PM
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i agree with jeroen kole...here r all the metal sub-genres just put them in the catergories

nu metal,
doom metal,
death metal,
power/symphonic metal,
heavy metal, thrash metal,
melodic death metal,
Gore Metal,
progressive metal,
idustrial metal,
gothic metal,
folk metal,
viking metal,
glam metal,
groove metal,
neoclassical metal,
metal core,
post-metal,
sludge metal,
speed metal,
stoner metal,

thats about all i no...hehe

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post Aug 15 2008, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Aug 15 2008, 06:08 PM) *
nu metal,
doom metal,
death metal,
power/symphonic metal,
heavy metal, thrash metal,
melodic death metal,
Gore Metal,
progressive metal,
idustrial metal,
gothic metal,
folk metal,
viking metal,
glam metal,
groove metal,
neoclassical metal,
metal core,
post-metal,
sludge metal,
speed metal,
stoner metal,

thats about all i no...hehe


But we don't have lessons with all these sub-genres.. right? (Or do we?! laugh.gif )


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post Aug 15 2008, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (JeroenKole @ Aug 15 2008, 03:16 PM) *
just generalize most genre's or stick them together because they are similar. Maybe something along these lines.

Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.
The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other catagories goes here.


This is just a quick idea that can give an nice overview without having hundreds of subpages.

Hope this helps,
J

actually i am against categorizing too much and would think riffing / solo / riffing and solo would do but as there are so many lessons dealing with metal i think the suggestion from j is a very good one!!


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post Aug 15 2008, 08:05 PM
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How bout catagorizing them by level of dificulty. beginner 1-3, intermediate 4-7,and advanced 8-10. Metal is very hard to determine unless you go from one extreme to another. ( 80's hair metal to todays deth metal ), alot of styles in between will get sort of lost in the mix.

similar to the lesson plan I know, but would give you a way of grouping the lessons. smile.gif


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post Aug 15 2008, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE (JeroenKole @ Aug 15 2008, 10:16 AM) *
just generalize most genre's or stick them together because they are similar. Maybe something along these lines.

Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.
The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other catagories goes here.


This is just a quick idea that can give an nice overview without having hundreds of subpages.

Hope this helps,
J



I agree. This is a very good way to divide the different metal lessons.

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post Aug 15 2008, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (JeroenKole @ Aug 15 2008, 03:16 PM) *
just generalize most genre's or stick them together because they are similar. Maybe something along these lines.

Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.
The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other catagories goes here.


This is just a quick idea that can give an nice overview without having hundreds of subpages.

Hope this helps,
J


This seems very good smile.gif
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i think we have to cover almost metal sub-geners... in the same time the GMC full of pentatonics/lydians/mixolydians and others . thats let GMC repeat it self .


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post Aug 15 2008, 11:21 PM
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I think it would be important not to restrict any one lesson to anyone category though.

If you are not sure if you want to put lesson A into either Category B or Category C, you should just put them in both.

Know what I mean?


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post Aug 16 2008, 01:45 AM
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From what I've seen you basically have either speed/power or some modern symphonic/melodic death lessons. So it's basically nothing to cathegorise.


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post Aug 16 2008, 05:29 PM
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I would say JeroenKole had the best proposition and this idea is a good place to start.

Now regarding labeling... I don't like labeling too, but I think this it actually not labeling. It is simply a good way to categorize lessons in order to find them easier here on GMC.

So this categories bellow (as JeroenKole suggested) are good way to start, and see how it goes, maybe add one and work issues along the way. This is my modest suggestion.


Prog: Anything progressive, this includes progressive rock
Classic: Sabbath, Maiden etc.
Modern: Stuff like Trivium and that kind of stuff
Epic: symphonic, power etc. Might add neoclassical here, not sure myself though
Extreme: Death, Black etc.

The Rest: What doesn't fit into the other categories goes here.


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