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post Aug 16 2008, 05:28 PM
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Hello my dear friend Muris smile.gif

As you know I have been practicing some of your GMC lessons very hard for some time now, and have seen good progress with lots of hours put in smile.gif

I have good technique, and see results but I feel the time has come where I would like to start learning some more scales, and in particular I would like to be able to improvise using 3 note per string speed runs and licks. there seems to be little to no information anywhere on this. ohmy.gif

I am unsure how to approach this side of things and unsure where to start. Pentatonics are not a problem, and I have practiced 3 npsspeed runs from various GMC lessons and can play them well, but again im not sure how to use them in my own playing smile.gif

I saw on the video of you playing in london and you improvised really well, and I would like to learn how to do the same. cool.gif


So how do I go about this praticing this skill? I am guessing like anything else I have acheived on guitar, it is a matter of practicing runs over and over untill you can use them to improvise?


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post Aug 17 2008, 10:14 AM
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Hi Matt smile.gif

3nps are most common patterns in todays playing
as pentatonic of course which is 2nps mostly.
So first of all it's good to learn positions of many scales over whole fretboard,
the more you've learn the better are chances to apply it easier into your own playing.
Now,to get best from it I would suggest you to try jumping from one position to another also,
not just playing up and down the scale,note by note.
As you imagine,fretboard knowledge is important here. smile.gif
Another important thing is timing.
3nps runs are usually executed as triplets cause it's easier to track it down
but try 8th,16th etc as well,that will give more color to your playing.

So,once you learn bunch of 3nps licks from GMC lesson
(and I know you have learned many of them by now smile.gif )
simply try to incorporate them into your own playing,
which means you'll have to do some transposing as well
cause not every lesson is in same key or scale.

Improvising is not really improvising in total,
80% of it are some licks we learned before,
it's just that we use them in different contents and situation. smile.gif



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post Aug 17 2008, 11:17 AM
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Awsome reply Muris, thankyou so much for your help smile.gif Are there any scales / key's that you would recommened me starting my 3nps journey on? Is it just a case of Starting with the key of say A major for example and learn them all, or perhaps just learn the ones Im most likely to use?

What i dont want to do is spend hours learning keys I am not likely to use biggrin.gif


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You can start with A major if you feel comfortable with it,sure. smile.gif
Try it all over fretboard,apply some licks you learned before
and transpose them into A major if they are in some other key.
Good thing about guitar and scales is that we have same patterns
all over fretboard for every scale of same type,major scales per example.
I'm talking about whole and semi tone relations inside of scale/s.
Just follow root and maybe fifth as a guide and you'll have no problems,
even when jumping from one position to another. smile.gif


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thats great help thanks muris biggrin.gif I was wondering what were the first scales you learnt? also is transposing easy or do i need to read up?

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I really can't remember what was the first scale I learned,
probably Amin pentatonic or som. laugh.gif

Transposing,well it's easy and it is not at the same point.
Here is how I do it.
When I play the song I try to watch degrees and chords I have in use,
lets say I play tune in key of A and progression is
D,E,A,Bm.
That is IV,V,I and II, right?
Very important thing here,I don't even try to
see D as D or E as E,I only look at them as degrees
and that's easiest way when you want to apply it to trasposing.

Now,the same rules as we discuss on msn recently wink.gif
You move the tune in key of F# and you locate
those degrees in F# scale,notes are B,C#,F# and G#.
Major will be major,minor will be minor and we have progression
that goes like this Bmajor,C#major,F#major and G#minor.

Now,this explanation doesn't have much to do with soloing
cause we were talking about chord progression BUT
it's pretty common rule for soloing as well.
Example,Always with me Always with you(Joe Satriani),
it's in key of B and first notes in main theme are B(sometimes swallowed),D#,E,F#.
Those are I,III,IV and V degrees in B major scale.
Now you wanna try it in key of G,
you simply start with G as I in G major scale and go for III,IV and V,
you get G,B,C and D,piece of cake!

This was only tip for transposing tho but will help you
for improvising as well cause you will always be aware of
notes that you're playing,which degrees are those in scale that you use
and you'll have less chances to play wrong note. smile.gif


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You can transpose fairly easy mate by shifting the position you are playing left or right to the key you wanna transpose. As Muris stated - fretboard knowledge is the key to success here, Try to memorize notes (at least the main ones) on the fretboard.


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Some great advice in here from Muris. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Aug 18 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Some great advice in here from Muris. biggrin.gif


Thanks ESJ,hope it helps somehow. smile.gif


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Really great reply Muris! I learned a lot from it, thanks! smile.gif
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Excellent, thanks again Muris! and top tips from Ivan too wink.gif

The really good news is I have absolute fretboard knowledge with pitches so no problems there! cool.gif

This is really exciting for me as I will be able to use all my hard practiced licks and runs in my own stuffs smile.gif


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Aug 18 2008, 08:09 PM) *
Excellent, thanks again Muris! and top tips from Ivan too wink.gif

The really good news is I have absolute fretboard knowledge with pitches so no problems there! cool.gif

This is really exciting for me as I will be able to use all my hard practiced licks and runs in my own stuffs smile.gif


Awesome,give as some mp3s so we could help you even more!! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 18 2008, 07:12 PM) *
Awesome,give as some mp3s so we could help you even more!! smile.gif


Of course! I hope to upload some mp3's or videos soon smile.gif

I can learn more here at GMC in an hour than I have from a live lesson in the UK !! wink.gif


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Aug 18 2008, 08:27 PM) *
Of course! I hope to upload some mp3's or videos soon smile.gif

I can learn more here at GMC in an hour than I have from a live lesson in the UK !! wink.gif


Great!! smile.gif


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We're glad to help in any way! smile.gif

If you need some 3nps patterns I can upload some as well smile.gif

I'm currently recording similar serial to my pentatonic series, but this time we go full throttle into modes, using - 3nps patterns! Stay tuned! biggrin.gif

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Thanks Muris for the great tips. The degree transposing really helps a lot.
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I just realized this is your board Muris unsure.gif (I got here through "view new posts" link so havent' noticed). Excuse me mate! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Aug 18 2008, 07:37 PM) *
We're glad to help in any way! smile.gif

If you need some 3nps patterns I can upload some as well smile.gif


That would be great Ivan thanks smile.gif

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Aug 18 2008, 07:37 PM) *
We're glad to help in any way! smile.gif

If you need some 3nps patterns I can upload some as well smile.gif


That would be great Ivan thanks smile.gif


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Aug 18 2008, 08:50 PM) *
I just realized this is your board Muris unsure.gif (I got here through "view new posts" link so havent' noticed). Excuse me mate! smile.gif


No need to excuse at all,
your help is always appreciated Ivan. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Aug 18 2008, 08:37 PM) *
I'm currently recording similar serial to my pentatonic series, but this time we go full throttle into modes, using - 3nps patterns! Stay tuned! biggrin.gif

Really looking forward to it, Ivan! biggrin.gif

Great topic - I really enjoyed reading it. Mainly due to Muris' first class replies! Kudos. smile.gif


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