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Marcus Siepen
post Aug 29 2008, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (Marcus Lavendell @ Aug 28 2008, 04:05 PM) *
Well, yeah... maybe that's a bit extreme biggrin.gif But we could tap the fingers on something less sharp perhaps, like scissors?


Oh C'mon, scissors? Don't be such a coward tongue.gif


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post Aug 29 2008, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Aug 29 2008, 12:56 PM) *
Oh C'mon, scissors? Don't be such a coward tongue.gif

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post Aug 29 2008, 09:05 PM
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Think I read somewhere that SRV used to whip out his knife and cut a bit of hard skin from the heel of his foot and super glue that on his finger tip....apparently it improves ur tone happy.gif .......................(last bit was a joke btw)

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post Aug 29 2008, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Lavendell @ Aug 28 2008, 05:44 AM) *
Even though I’ve been playing guitar for many years, I still sometimes have this problem that’s holding me back: Sore fingers


this surprises me. as I understood it, your fingers develop callouses from the inside out, that is why over the first year or so of playing they peal, and then after that no more problems.

I suspect the nerve endings on your fingers are more sensitive. the year before I started playing, I sliced part of the tip of a finger off with knife, and it grew back. But it was sensitive for awhile. I expect some people have more sensitive fingers like that. Maybe it is a good thing. Maybe that is why you are so fast.

QUOTE (buttmonk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Think I read somewhere that SRV used to whip out his knife and cut a bit of hard skin from the heel of his foot and super glue that on his finger tip....apparently it improves ur tone happy.gif .......................(last bit was a joke btw)


just because a guy plays guitar and makes money doing so, don't assume he is not a few cords short of a full load.
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post Aug 30 2008, 08:49 AM
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mmm I think there is some liquid to put in the fingers used a lot by harp players, but I don't know what is its name...
Anyway I use Fast-Fret in my strings and I don't have his feeling.

here is an article about calluses explained by a harp player:

http://dangerousangel.wordpress.com/2007/1...es-will-travel/

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Monday, December 31, 2007 by Ariel

As delicate an instrument as the pedal harp seems to be, most people don’t realize that a harpist needs to have very tough fingertips to play one for any length of time. I’ve been working quite diligently on tone and technique lately, and the increase in practice time was giving me blisters on my fingertips, particularly on my left hand from plucking the heavy wire bass strings. In an attempt to get more practice in sooner, I’ve tried out some ideas that other players might find useful.

Taking a cue from the days when I needed to toughen up my feet for wildland fire season, I tried my old remedy of swabbing alcohol on areas that endure friction. The alcohol dehydrates and thickens the skin. It did help some, but not enough. It only extended my daily playing time between 10 and 20 percent. Another method of skin toughening suggested by a hiker friend, but which I did not try on my fingers, was to soak the blister-prone area in Epsom salts. I’d be curious to know if any harpists have tried this and what their results were.

Another technique I tried was to use a “liquid bandage” preparation on my fingertips. This allowed me to practice for between a quarter to a third longer before I got “hot spots” or blisters. The bandage layer does tend to wear out and peel off. This method could work well if someone had a moderate amount of time to build up to multiple hours playing per day, but I wanted faster results.

So, I VERY CAREFULLY smeared a thin layer of super glue on my fingertips where the skin contacts the strings. That worked extremely well and allowed me to play for several hours straight with no blistering at all. It more than tripled the amount of time that I could play at a sitting. I was amazed. I wore out before my fingertips did.

WARNING: Here’s the down side - pay close attention - this will only work if you are patient in preparing your fingers and let the glue dry thoroughly before touching your strings or anything else! Get impatient and you will have a mess, and could end up with your fingertips stuck together or any number of other problems. Consider yourself warned. Also, this is definitely not a use that the manufacturer would approve of…so do the above at your own risk.

I would use this method again if I needed to play for a long gig and my fingertip calluses were not properly conditioned, but I found that the glue does tend to crack and collect grime. Not particularly appealing, as the dried glue layer takes a number of days to wear off. In my opinion, your best bet is the traditional method of building up your calluses gradually and then maintaining them, but if you’re in a time squeeze the glue method does do wonders. Just be careful!

At this point, my harp calluses are built up to an acceptable level for most anything I want to do. The trick now will be maintaining them when I have to be away from the harp for an an extended period of time, as I am this week. I’m packing up my place in the Arizona high country in preparation for putting it up for sale. Next time I sit down to practice, I’ll see how my calluses held up to the time away.




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post Aug 30 2008, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (Juan M. Valero @ Aug 30 2008, 09:49 AM) *
mmm I think there is some liquid to put in the fingers used a lot by harp players, but I don't know what is its name...
Anyway I use Fast-Fret in my strings and I don't have his feeling.

here is an article about calluses explained by a harp player:

http://dangerousangel.wordpress.com/2007/1...es-will-travel/

Thanks Juan, that's a great article!
Hm... I think I will give the super glue a try smile.gif


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post Aug 30 2008, 09:04 AM
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Great topic Marcus smile.gif
Sore fingers are norlmal for begginners.The most imporatant thing is not to get discourage and not to stop playing for a long time.Time itself will solve the problem smile.gif


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post Aug 30 2008, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (Marcus Lavendell @ Aug 30 2008, 09:58 AM) *
Thanks Juan, that's a great article!
Hm... I think I will give the super glue a try smile.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif don't forget to upload some pics !!! I want to see your fingers with super glue laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Sep 5 2008, 04:10 PM
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There are so many responses that this method could have already been advised.

What I used to do was buy some surgical spirit and dab the end of my fingertips. This harderns them up pretty good smile.gif Just make sure you dry your fingers thoroughly, as I've no idea what nasty things that might do to your much loved guitars. heh.

- This might sound pretty scary and illadvised, but my Aunt is a Doctor and when she played guitar she used this method. It really does work!

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post Sep 7 2008, 10:39 PM
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Join the club mate,I never had this problem untill I racked up big hours in a band every week-been playing for twenty years now and noticed that my finger tips getting sore(and shoulder pain from wearing the axe while standing for so long!)
The other guitarist metioned this over a brew at luchtime,and the bass players skin has been coming off his fingers for weeks now!lol In fact our drummers hands look pretty bad too!Only the singer gets off lightly



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post Sep 7 2008, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Sep 5 2008, 05:10 PM) *
There are so many responses that this method could have already been advised.

What I used to do was buy some surgical spirit and dab the end of my fingertips. This harderns them up pretty good smile.gif Just make sure you dry your fingers thoroughly, as I've no idea what nasty things that might do to your much loved guitars. heh.

- This might sound pretty scary and illadvised, but my Aunt is a Doctor and when she played guitar she used this method. It really does work!


What is exactly a "surgical spirit" ? Can you find me a link or something...Thanks smile.gif


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Sep 7 2008, 10:52 PM) *
What is exactly a "surgical spirit" ? Can you find me a link or something...Thanks smile.gif


I think its essentially a form of methylated spirit, but they widely use it in medicine practice for cleansing the skin or before surgery as an anti-septic.

It's common in most pharmacy's here, also sold in sports stores sometimes for athletes to use.

It smells a bit strange, but honestly I know in writing it sounds a bit dodgy, and with things you read on the internet these days!! But yeah, ask in a pharmacy or drugs store about it and they should confirm what I'm saying.

It basically hardens up the skin a little bit, I'm not sure if thats its intended purpose, but if you type in "surgical spirit" and "guitar" in to google, you'll notice that it comes up a fair bit in other forums.

Here's a link to what it is, but I warn you, looks very very dull!

http://www.firstaid4sport.co.uk/product.as...ELAID=153526095

Hope that maybe I've contributed a little helping tip to some GMC users, considering the quality of lessons, its the least I can do!! Besides paying for the lessons tongue.gif 100% worth it though smile.gif



Edit - You'll notice on the link it says - "This general skin disinfectant constricts your skin, preventing dirt and grime from infecting the skin. Also can be used as a rub to harden the skin of the hands and feet." biggrin.gif IT WORKS!

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post Sep 8 2008, 07:19 AM
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Thanks for sharing Ajmurrell. That looks very interesting smile.gif


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post Sep 20 2008, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Vinod Saranga @ Aug 30 2008, 10:04 AM) *
Great topic Marcus smile.gif
Sore fingers are norlmal for begginners.The most imporatant thing is not to get discourage and not to stop playing for a long time.Time itself will solve the problem smile.gif


I sure don't hope you'd classify Marcus as a beginner, 'cause then what the heck would us students be? laugh.gif
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Well the most extreme tales about this are Stevie Ray Vaughn's Colluses Legends.

The most extreme one I remember is that he glued his fingers to a surface, and than PULLED, causing all his fingertip skin to tear and in a day or so he will have super tough colluses to deal with his 13's strings tongue.gif

Don't know how true it is, and I never want to find out.


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QUOTE (seagull @ Sep 20 2008, 03:41 PM) *
I sure don't hope you'd classify Marcus as a beginner, 'cause then what the heck would us students be? laugh.gif


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I mean

Great Topic Marcus ,

And begginners here is my thought  biggrin.gif



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post Sep 20 2008, 04:43 PM
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I haven't really experienced this myself but agree with Marcus S. haha;)
I think it is inevitable that your finger tips will soften if you take a break.
I have also heard of some mad ideas to get around it but i would never try them let alone suggest some hahaha
Maybe when you return to regular practice after a break build up the practice time over a period of days till your fingers have hardened up again. 1 hour, 2 hour, 3 hour for example. Or practice one day on one day off (to let the tips heal) etc. until fingers are back to normal.


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post Sep 20 2008, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 20 2008, 01:31 PM) *
The most extreme one I remember is that he glued his fingers to a surface, and than PULLED, causing all his fingertip skin to tear and in a day or so he will have super tough colluses to deal with his 13's strings tongue.gif

Don't know how true it is, and I never want to find out.

... man, that's crazy!! laugh.gif


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I would recommend a Shredneck, make the strings as hard to push as possible ( bad words but I am sure all of Ya understand;) ) and train with it for example in a traffic jam or while watching the daily news. It works for me.


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Mostly my fingers hurt while practicing for a while, because youre repeating things like new bends, new chords (stretchy chords) or practicing a song with a lot of bends especially when i was learning vibrato lesson 1 of Marcus smile.gif haha man o man, that high bend almostly cutted my fingers back then, so when my fingers hurt i mostly practice something else like scale's so i no more bends for a while, and when its not hurting again biggrin.gif woohoo we going bend 2 note's again smile.gif haha


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