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post Sep 11 2008, 06:22 PM
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I can come up with all the powerchord progressions I need.

Its turning them into something more interesting to listen to that I'm looking for.



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post Sep 11 2008, 07:46 PM
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Maybe you mean adding lead to rythm?


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post Sep 11 2008, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:46 PM) *
Maybe you mean adding lead to rythm?


Nope.

Nothing to do with lead.

Just alternatives to powerchords in metal.



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post Sep 11 2008, 07:56 PM
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Well, as kjutte said, if you know how to add more than just root+5 to a chord, I don't understand how come you don't know how to alternate...Can you give a youtube link to a music you like to see where you want to alternate?


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post Sep 11 2008, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:56 PM) *
Well, as kjutte said, if you know how to add more than just root+5 to a chord, I don't understand how come you don't know how to alternate...Can you give a youtube link to a music you like to see where you want to alternate?


Alternate what?

I'm looking for suggestions on chords to use in place of powerchords.

Open "cowboy chords" using lots of strings dont work well with high gain.

2 note 2 & 3 string powerchords are quite sterile sounding at times.

Listen to bands like Opeth and In Flames. Thats what I am looking for. What are they using?



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post Sep 11 2008, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Alternate what?

I'm looking for suggestions on chords to use in place of powerchords.

Open "cowboy chords" using lots of strings dont work well with high gain.

2 note 2 & 3 string powerchords are quite sterile sounding at times.

Listen to bands like Opeth and In Flames. Thats what I am looking for. What are they using?


name a song.
Anyway, as I say, you gotta involve more than R+5. Try experimenting with Maj7, min7, etc. There's alot of great chords that add ALOT of flavor.
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:05 PM
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For example Opeth, in the beginning of the music A Fair Judgement uses a A5 powerchord but adds an octave an Amaj7...So it's like kjutte said, just adding octaves, 7ths, 9ths, etc...

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post Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 09:05 PM) *
For example Opeth, in the beginning of the music A Fair Judgement uses a A5 powerchord but adds an octave of the 3rd and an Amaj7...So it's like kjutte said, just adding octaves, 7ths, 9ths, etc...


A5 has no third.
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 01:59 PM) *
name a song.
Anyway, as I say, you gotta involve more than R+5. Try experimenting with Maj7, min7, etc. There's alot of great chords that add ALOT of flavor.


Opeth "Bleak" from the album "Blackwater Park" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpH3qhP_UE

In Flames "My Sweeet Shadow" from "Soundtrack To Your Escape" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lolM8GeGRQc


Oh I hear ya man, thats why I asked. I'm getting nowhere with just powerchords. Thats why I brought this up. cool.gif

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post Sep 11 2008, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM) *
A5 has no third.


It's not an A5...I meant adding the octave, sorry laugh.gif

Bleak for example, if I'm not mistaken, when the acoustic starts, it's an Emaj9 smile.gif

Btw, I didn't see the video, I just went to see the tab

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post Sep 11 2008, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (Kapto @ Sep 11 2008, 10:10 AM) *
I recently took this lesson up https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...er-chords/which has quite a few positions of power chords. It made me think out of the box.
Maybe you have seen it maybe not . Don't know if this is what you're looking for.


I've had that lesson bookmarked for a long time. Big reminder that there's more to power chords than "down one string up two frets". I don't know if I'll ever get any of those chords with the thumb wrapped around, but they're fun to listen to. biggrin.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 08:39 PM
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the powerchord sound is what I am trying to stray from.

I'm not looking for another way to make the same sound, but a different sound altogether.

Listen to this tune by Opeth. "Heir Apparent"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Ty-fwB4sw

The chords they are using at the 1:09 mark... And again at 1:48 What are those? Imagine how mundane that song would sound if they were just good old powerchords. These other chords is whats making this tune sound as friggin huge as it does.


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QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:39 PM) *
The chords they are using at the 1:09 mark... And again at 1:48 What are those? Imagine how mundane that song would sound if they were just good old powerchords. These other chords is whats making this tune sound as friggin huge as it does.


Diminished ....in this case pretty similar ot a power chord, it is Root and a flattened 5th instead of root and a 5th, which, cinse it is the root, puts you in locrian mode.


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Here's an example, my chord theory is ont the best so if I make any mistakes please forgive me (sometimes I read upside down laugh.gif ), but here's an mp3, and I played:


Dmin7+5, Em, C, D, F#m, D (another one)

There's many differences between the chords, some of them I still don't know how to explain, but I'm sure kjutte or someone will correct me or add me

I played in acoustic and just random, I know you want something in the area of metal, but for that, you have to build a chord progression, think about for example a power chord you like, let's say E5, what can you do to change that power chord? add an octave? make it minor? leave it major? seventh? diminished? lots of possibilites...it also depends on what you like...

Attached File  chord.mp3 ( 319.59K ) Number of downloads: 167


Again, if I'm mistaken please forgive me, but I'm just trying to give you an idea of changing stuff instead of playing only powerchords, my way of doing it is, start with acoustic, and see if it fits well together, than try with a bit of distortion, because normally all stuff that isn't R+5 usually sounds wierd, atleast for me it used to


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post Sep 11 2008, 08:52 PM
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Andrew: Thanks! That helps. Drop the 5th back 1 fret and we have a diminished powerchord. Thats another option to add to the toolbox now.

Rated Htr: Great example! Thats what I'm looking for.

Let me try an analogy. I know the powerchords. But it makes me feel like I have 12 crayons. (1 powerchord for each note)

red
blue
green
brown
black
white
yellow
orange
purple
tan

etc...

Lets take the powerchords, the simple colors listed above. And find other chords that will work well in metal music. Faster beats, lots of distortion, etc... I'm looking for the other variations of each color above.

The diminished one Andrew just pointed out would be like "Dark Red" What are the other variations in and around red?

See what I mean?

I think it would make a cool lesson writing a powerchord riff then going in and tweaking the colors to make it a little less "plain".

Darken the red a notch, lighten the blue, etc...

I dont seem to be communicating this well.


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Hmm, let me ask you, do you know how to make chords from major chords? from the 1 3 5 formation?


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post Sep 11 2008, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Hmm, let me ask you, do you know how to make chords from major chords? from the 1 3 5 formation?


Yes.

And adding 7ths, 9ths etc... "Stacking 3rds"

Let me try wording it this way.

"What chords are commonly used in metal by bands such as Opeth, In Flames, Iron Maiden, Queensryche, etc besides powerchords? I hear these bands using other chords in places many bands use plain old powerchords. It gives them a very specific and identifiable sound."



Here is an example.

"Beneath The Mire" by Opeth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABj6YAk6Lys

This song wouldnt sound at all like it does with regular R5 powerchords.

What are these chords and what are some others that can be used to give songs a more textured sound like this?


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It kinda depends on what you want...All the bands you gave have different ways of choosing do to the atmosphere being different..For example, I still don't have the ability like some to hear, and tell you what they are playing, so I got a guitarpro file, and gonna use it to explain...

At the beginning, they are playing a simple D5 powerchord, but adding an octave...If you want, you can check the file yourself, instead of looking at theory right now, what they do, is escape from the pattern, like you see that all powerchords, most of them I mean, have the same shape, so instead of playing a R+5, why don't you move the 5 up? or move the 5 down? or add another note on another string? just keep moving your fingers, get it? than you get a shape, and if you want to know the theory behind it, you come here and ask smile.gif

Using your example, it's like having a red color, but painting stronger, gets a dark red, or weaker might get a pink colour, you just have to change your strength smile.gif


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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 03:21 PM) *
At the beginning, they are playing a simple D5 powerchord, but adding an octave...


Thats not what it sounds like to me. You gotta take guitar pro files witha grain of salt. Any joe blow can write those and post em.

I see what you are saying though. And yep I agree 100%.

So far we have 1 answer.

"Diminished powerchords, flatten the 5th"

There have to be others. If anyone knows any, toss em in here.

"Just keep moving your fingers" isn't what I was really looking for. That could be used to answer any question on this entire site. tongue.gif


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Well, give me another music than, one that has many star ratings in ultimate-guitar, so I can see...I heard the music now and you're right...it doesn't sound like that...but I didn't test it, just saw the formation and wrote it smile.gif


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