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post Sep 11 2008, 10:26 PM
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hey guys. Did anyone hear about the black hole experiment they are going to do in october. They are planning to make a blackhole on EARTH and they say there is a 1 out of 50 million chance that the world will get sucked in. WTF. Y r scientists risking the world for a freaking experiment that is not necesserily important at this time? Is neone else afraid because I am.

Wuts ur take on it?


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Sep 11 2008, 11:26 PM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T745HXduHY

hey guys. Did anyone hear about the black hole experiment they are going to do in october. They are planning to make a blackhole on EARTH and they say there is a 1 out of 50 million chance that the world will get sucked in. WTF. Y r scientists risking the world for a freaking experiment that is not necesserily important at this time? Is neone else afraid because I am.

Wuts ur take on it?


I heard that they were going to remake the big bang but anyway its stupid to risk this much on a experiment


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:33 PM
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They finished one of these experiments yesterday or the day before. We're still alive but. I feel like I'm being pulled away by a strong force...... . .. . .. .. .. . .

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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Sep 11 2008, 11:26 PM) *
Is neone else afraid because I am.

Not the least afraid of this experiment. Nukes and the people who owns them scare me a lot more.


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:33 PM
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I was sitting in class yesterday, with my fingers in my ears.. Just waiting for the bang. But no... tongue.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:36 PM
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They aren't making a blackhole. It is just a possible outcome. I say go for it. I'd rather the human race die striving to learn rather than due to something like global warming.
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post Sep 11 2008, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Sep 11 2008, 10:26 PM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T745HXduHY

hey guys. Did anyone hear about the black hole experiment they are going to do in october. They are planning to make a blackhole on EARTH and they say there is a 1 out of 50 million chance that the world will get sucked in. WTF. Y r scientists risking the world for a freaking experiment that is not necesserily important at this time? Is neone else afraid because I am.

Wuts ur take on it?



I've been following it quite a bit, because I'm a little bit of a physics geek biggrin.gif, but the danger levels are so very small. Most of the negative press about dangers are more along the lines of doomsayers/cult type remarks. Like how the world is going to end in 2012... You'd think they'd have better things to do if they really believed that they had so little time left!

Oh well, personally I hope they don't find this Higgs boson particle they're searching for. Proves modern physics got something wrong, and increases the interest in workin out what!

Hawking himself has put a bet on that they won't find it smile.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Sep 11 2008, 04:26 PM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T745HXduHY

hey guys. Did anyone hear about the black hole experiment they are going to do in october. They are planning to make a blackhole on EARTH and they say there is a 1 out of 50 million chance that the world will get sucked in. WTF. Y r scientists risking the world for a freaking experiment that is not necesserily important at this time? Is neone else afraid because I am.

Wuts ur take on it?


Probably nothing will happen. But I don't believe anyone can possibly calculate the risks when they are doing things that have never been done before, all based on theory.

People are very naive about trusting the scientific community. When the first Atomic Bomb was being built, there was a scare that it might engulf the Atmosphere. But then the calculations said this was impossible. But when they blew off teh first test, one of the Scientists said he got scared, he thought at first it was doing that, spreading out and engulfing the atmosphere. So my question is, if they were so sure it was safe, why did he get scared?

I am convinced the danger here is MUCH more than 1 in 50 million. Anyone who has that much confidence in calculations based on mathematical theories, on experiments man has never done before, with forces we don't fully understand, is a total PINHEAD.

But I am not going to worry about it. I bet death by being sucked into a black hole is a painless death.
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post Sep 11 2008, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Sep 11 2008, 10:54 PM) *
I bet death by being sucked into a black hole is a painless death.

Is that a theory based off of something that has never happened before?
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post Sep 11 2008, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Sep 12 2008, 12:00 AM) *
Is that a theory based off of something that has never happened before?

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post Sep 11 2008, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Sep 11 2008, 10:54 PM) *
I am convinced the danger here is MUCH more than 1 in 50 million. Anyone who has that much confidence in calculations based on mathematical theories, on experiments man has never done before, with forces we don't fully understand, is a total PINHEAD.


I'd rather trust their calculations rather than your opinion. I'd love the world to be sucked into a black hole. What a way to go.
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post Sep 11 2008, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Duncan @ Sep 11 2008, 11:36 PM) *
I say go for it. I'd rather the human race die striving to learn rather than due to something like global warming.

Well put! smile.gif

In fact, I think this is the most intelligent remark I've seen in a long, long while. wink.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 11:22 PM
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I heard about it , they are trying to simulate a big bang and some specific particle..They say results will come in 2010 smile.gif Will be an interesting outcome smile.gif

p.s. I hope they don't manage to make a black hole smile.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 11:22 PM
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I think that any experiment has its risks... When someone injects a virus into a mouse, is it possible that the virus will mutate and than exterminate whole human life? Well, it is possible but very very unlikely.

I was a little bit worried, before I actually read more about it. 1 over 50 million is probably a wild guess. And whoever did it would likely overestimate a lot so that he has less chances of being wrong and being the culprit of human life extermination...
So, as far as probability goes I would not be worried at all.


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That accelerator cannot make a black hole, it is a complete nonsense. It accelerates particles and with trivial amounts of energy, compared to a making of a black hole. So...rest assured..

BTW I find the accelerator opening quite an exciting thing, I love breaking new grounds in tech! smile.gif


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post Sep 11 2008, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Sep 11 2008, 11:00 PM) *
Is that a theory based off of something that has never happened before?


The odds are that it has happened before, just not around here.
Perhaps the LHC, or Large Hadron Collider, will provide us with answers to questions that we have not been able to answer until now. I'm not sure of the relevancy of the questions that scientists at CERN are wanting answered where the average person is concerned. But, I do find it exciting.
If we are going to be obliterated by some cosmic force, guess what? There ain't a damn thing we can do about it. But, we must continue to explore because that is our nature. Sometimes we're going to be "playing with fire". I say, go for it.
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QUOTE (jacmoe @ Sep 11 2008, 03:19 PM) *
Well put! smile.gif

In fact, I think this is the most intelligent remark I've seen in a long, long while. wink.gif


I actually agree with you guys on this...
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post Sep 11 2008, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (Gus @ Sep 11 2008, 05:22 PM) *
I think that any experiment has its risks... When someone injects a virus into a mouse, is it possible that the virus will mutate and than exterminate whole human life? Well, it is possible but very very unlikely.

I was a little bit worried, before I actually read more about it. 1 over 50 million is probably a wild guess. And whoever did it would likely overestimate a lot so that he has less chances of being wrong and being the culprit of human life extermination...
So, as far as probability goes I would not be worried at all.


I don't disagree Gus. And you are correct, the two biggest dangers are Nukes, and emergence of a virus with the characteristics that will wipe out maybe a billion of us.

But I don't trust the scientific community. Money is involved. Egos are involved. Careers are involved. To scientists one thing matters more than all else. Continued funding. BTW, I worked for 5 years as a NASA consultant. Minor role, but I met a lot of scientists. I am not pulling this out of my ass. If loss of funding is a possibility, they get real quiet, just like anybody else.
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Best part of it is that if those doomsayers are finally right... we won't have to listen to them saying "I told ya!!" laugh.gif


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QUOTE (fkalich @ Sep 11 2008, 11:57 PM) *
I don't disagree Gus. And you are correct, the two biggest dangers are Nukes, and emergence of a virus with the characteristics that will wipe out maybe a billion of us.

But I don't trust the scientific community. Money is involved. Egos are involved. Careers are involved. To scientists one thing matters more than all else. Continued funding. BTW, I worked for 5 years as a NASA consultant. Minor role, but I met a lot of scientists. I am not pulling this out of my ass. If loss of funding is a possibility, they get real quiet, just like anybody else.


Does that mean if I pull a mini black hole out of my ass, I can get some funding?
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post Sep 12 2008, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Sep 11 2008, 05:37 PM) *
The odds are that it has happened before, just not around here.
Perhaps the LHC, or Large Hadron Collider, will provide us with answers to questions that we have not been able to answer until now. I'm not sure of the relevancy of the questions that scientists at CERN are wanting answered where the average person is concerned. But, I do find it exciting.
If we are going to be obliterated by some cosmic force, guess what? There ain't a damn thing we can do about it. But, we must continue to explore because that is our nature. Sometimes we're going to be "playing with fire". I say, go for it.


Perhaps with 6 billion people going on 12, and most probable scenarios for the future (wrt the ability to even feed them) being pretty bleak, perhaps there are bigger fish to fry?

Science in the past has has some practical purpose, so real way that it helped man. This does nothing. I have read probably as much on modern Physics as most here I am sure. But it just is kind of useless. I can't think of any scientific efforts in the past that even approach the level uselessness of this research.

I don't think at this stage of the game, that this is the area scientific minds should be focused on. Things are going to get really rough in real ways (such as food) in the next decades, those are the areas they should be focused on. They can worry about whether we have 11 dimensions or not in the 22nd century I figure, but for now, I think they should focus on trying to get us though the 21st.


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