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Jesse
post Sep 12 2008, 01:25 PM
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Im starting to realise, that I really need a mii keyboard for putting in drums n bass at least! I'm broke atm, and saving for a toneport UX2. What midi boards do you guys use?


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post Sep 12 2008, 01:30 PM
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For drums I always draw notes with the mouse in the midi editor. Even with a midi keyboard you have to quantize every note so again you need mouse for the action. Midi keyboard is good for other stuff like bass and other instruments.


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post Sep 12 2008, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 12 2008, 08:30 AM) *
For drums I always draw notes with the mouse in the midi editor. Even with a midi keyboard you have to quantize every note so again you need mouse for the action. Midi keyboard is good for other stuff like bass and other instruments.


Well, you don't have to quantize if you don't want to. It's still music....rules are rules only if you want to. tongue.gif

Most applications will do your quantization for you as you're playing/recording though. Reason does. I think Logic does it. ProTools has to but I haven't used it.

I have an Edirol PCR-50 that I got on eBay for like $90 (http://www.edirol.net/products/en/PCR-50/). It has a bunch of sliders and knobs that I can assign to different things. It's basic, and plasticy but it was inexpensive and it gets the job done. My main complaint is that the pitchbend and modwheel are combined in a spring-loaded joystick. The joystick centers itself when you let go. I kinda prefer to be able to have the modwheel to stay where I set it.

I used to have an Oxygen 8 (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen8v2.html) and I miss it. I snagged mine on eBay for under $100 too. What I loved abou it was the size...it was lap-sized...so I didn't have to lay it out on a table...I could lay on the couch, lay it across my legs and noodle around with it.


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post Sep 12 2008, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (Scott Gentzen @ Sep 12 2008, 02:03 PM) *
Well, you don't have to quantize if you don't want to. It's still music....rules are rules only if you want to. tongue.gif


This depends on what you want to record. If it's simple 4/4 groove then ok but for some more progressive stuff and lots of drum fills etc..., you can't play that on the keyboard just like that. Also later you have to change some velocities to access different sample layers and make it sound more realistic. It all depends on what you want to program but I prefer using mouse for drums.


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post Sep 12 2008, 02:33 PM
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I used to write everything down, but now I use the MIDI keyboard and quantize what I play, later I will adjust velocities if required, but I try to get the right feel with the intensity that I hit the keys with.

M-Audio has a few cheaper MIDI keyboards such as the radium49.



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post Sep 13 2008, 01:01 PM
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You can buy the cheapest one, there isn't any real need to buy a complicated controller. Most DAWs just can't map the controls so easily. So any cheap one from Behringer, M-Audio or even Korg will do the job nicely for your first MIDI keys.
49 keys is the best to buy, and suitable for both hands. More keys (octaves) will only take more room on the table, and there's no need, unless you're a advanced piano player.

Also you may wanna consider buying Toneport UX1. I don't know why are you buying UX2 exactly, yes it does have 2 more inputs, but can only record 2 inputs at once, just like UX1


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post Sep 13 2008, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 13 2008, 02:01 PM) *
You can buy the cheapest one, there isn't any real need to buy a complicated controller. Most DAWs just can't map the controls so easily. So any cheap one from Behringer, M-Audio or even Korg will do the job nicely for your first MIDI keys.
49 keys is the best to buy, and suitable for both hands. More keys (octaves) will only take more room on the table, and there's no need, unless you're a advanced piano player.

Also you may wanna consider buying Toneport UX1. I don't know why are you buying UX2 exactly, yes it does have 2 more inputs, but can only record 2 inputs at once, just like UX1

Soooo we can record stuff with the band maybe:D Is there a quality diff between the ux1 and ux2?


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post Sep 13 2008, 11:09 PM
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i have a Yamaha but i dont use it .i use the mouse thats much better for me


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You can quantize with Pro Tools, but it doesn't do it automatically as you play, you have to choose if you want to afterwards.


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post Sep 14 2008, 11:12 AM
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I use a KeyRig49. Not much feeling in the keys but then again who would expect that at this price-range. Nice midi-keys, enough octaves but still doesn't take up too much space on your desk. Bought it, plugged it in aaaand done. Works perfectly. So if you're going after a cheap rig I'd recommend it.

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post Sep 15 2008, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (Jesse @ Sep 13 2008, 04:38 PM) *
Soooo we can record stuff with the band maybe:D Is there a quality diff between the ux1 and ux2?


There is no quality difference, they are the same device, only UX2 has 4 inputs on the box. BUT it cannot monitor 4 inputs, only 2 of them, so you can connect 2 mics and 2 guitars but you will hear only two of them. Same wise you can record only mic+guitar=2 channels. Same as on UX1. This is because the same electronics is inside, just with UX2 you have the digital connection, and analog audio meters on the box. Gearbox that comes with both devices is the same.
You can't really use toneport for band recording. properly. You can, but with two channels, you can only put a mic in the centre of the room and record teh whole room, which is not a good option at all. The good alternative is to get Toneport UX8 and record everything more decently with 8 sepparate mics.

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Now Maestro is giving keyboard lessons for us guitarists, there might be more interest in this topic again.

FWIW, I'm a complete novice to keyboard...complete! I went into my local music store and checked out a bunch of entry level keyboards and several of them had really useful things like scales and chord dictionaries but they were immediately limited for what I want as they lacked velocity sensitive keys.

In the end, I bought myself this MIDI controller which was AUD$159 and still $100 cheaper than entry-level keyboards with onboard sound.

http://www.esi-audio.com/products/keycontrol49+/


The wheels come standard as Pitch and Modulation but they can be assigned to other functions. There are also octave up and down buttons and the regular keys can be assigned to different MIDI channels for functions other than standard notes. Keys are velocity sensitive with two different velocity curves. Fairly basic but does everything I need for starters.

I'm using it for controlling Absynth from Native Instruments - http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/pro...ucer/absynth-5/

They also offer a first-class *FREE* instrument called Kore Player with 150 sounds/FX included, and can be expanded by purchasing additional libraries - http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/pro...er/kore-player/

Both Absynth and Kore Player work as stand alone programs or VST instruments within your DAW.



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post Feb 28 2010, 07:02 PM
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Another recommendation on my side would be this:

M-Audio Keyrig 49 (costs around 100$)


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