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Bogdan Radovic
post Sep 19 2008, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE (sidewas lightning @ Sep 18 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I think you should get a tad more money and buy a peavey. They make really cheap >>>TUBE<<< Half stacks you can get for the same price as a crappy transistor marshall. Look at the valveking and windsor.


Yeah I would also suggest checking out some peavey amps, they offer good value for the money!
Regarding costs of maintanace of tube amps , yeah they are present but not so great if you take care of your amp (depending on use they can last for years)...And the sound is THE sound so its wroth it! smile.gif


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post Sep 19 2008, 04:20 AM
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As far as peavy goes i really love my VK 100 watts of beautiful cleans. But even that is gunna run you more than 700. Id just wait and save mate don't be hasty:)


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post Sep 19 2008, 09:31 AM
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Although I'd buy a Fender '65 Twin Reverb if I wanted an awesome clean sound smile.gif



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post Sep 21 2008, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 16 2008, 05:27 PM) *
Why are you confused mate? We told you the stuff you need to know. If you can tell us what specifically is confusing you, maybe we can clarify or simplify things. Now, I love Marshalls and played a bunch of them (mostly because there's not much of a choice where I live), and all I can say is that 700 green bills isn't enough for a decent Marshall half stack. If you wanna get a "Marshall halfstack" just because of the looks, go for the MG version. MG is not made in England, that's why they are so cheap. Their quality isn't the best, and sound is the worst of all Marshall halfstacks. Also if you need it for your bedroom, 4x12 is a lot, and not needed. 2x12 is a golden middle, so again, I recommend a "mini" halfstack, consisting of AVT combo and extension 1x12 cab, or AVT150 head+2x12 cab, or save the money and buy a decent tube head.

well im 15 have no job and had to save for this!!
y do those places have to make them cheap now and u guys were using SOME big words to me which i dont understand
....how have the marshalls changed? pros and cons?
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post Sep 21 2008, 05:19 PM
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Don't buy the MG. Just because it's big doesn't mean it's any good. You can get far better amps for that price.
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post Sep 21 2008, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (beebo @ Sep 21 2008, 05:34 PM) *
well im 15 have no job and had to save for this!!
y do those places have to make them cheap now and u guys were using SOME big words to me which i dont understand
....how have the marshalls changed? pros and cons?


I think it's great that you saved for your future amp, and it is great that you wanna buy it. Sorry if we confused you man, it is our purpose to help.

I'll try to explain a bit better:

You see, back in the good ol' 70ties and 80ties, Marshall factory produced some of the best amps available. And guess what - today they are still unbeatable! This is because they used high quality bulky, and sturdy components in these amps, and made it "to last".

As 90ties came, fierce competition appeared, and Marshall started to loose part of the market. So instead of making great amps, they though like this:"we will make not great, but reasonably good quality amps that people can afford". So how did they do that? Well, in 80ties and 90ties, there was a big industry boom in far east, and Taiwan, Japan, China, Malezya and other countries started to mass produce cheap electronic components. This was great for Marshall, as they could now get a very cheap parts for their amps. Also they cut corners in the amp architecture as well. Instead of adding more tubes for JCM900 series, they simply added some diode clipping (solid state), and got bigger overdrive and other features.
So all these things (among other things) led to production of less expensive Marshalls and company could now produce a wider range of devices suitable for expanding market.
But Marshall company didn't stop there. In order to stay competitive and one of the biggest amp brands in the world, they made a whole bunch of product lines, the most important categories being valvestate and solidstate. Valvestate is a hybrid technology, where they use one preamp tube, and the rest is solidstate. Solidstate are all-solidstate amps, that are the cheapest, but they also made Marshall amps and sound available to a wider market.
The thing that Marshall counted on are actually their main lines of all-tubers. These lines were very expensive, so they made these cheap series in order to "emulate" the sound of those big amps, and try to make a cheapo versions that would be available to all the people, and they could then begin to love marshalls and one day wanna buy the "real thing". And as a proof that Marshall is living on the "old glory" are constant comments on the whole net:"sounds like a super lead", "nothing beats the good ol' JCM800 stack", "it sounds almost as a vintage Marshall" etc.
Marshall still produces reissues of these amps and they are very expensive.

Their newest JVM series (some will not agree with me but it's MO) is a lame modeling all tube amp, basically a hot rodded JCM2000 series where they inserted a bunch of channels hoping to "model" (that word again) previous Marshall models.

And then we come to MG series. MG series is not even produced in Milton Keynes factory in England! So you know what that means - Marshall bought or invested in a factory abroad, and sticking their (old glory) name on cheap products that has almost nothing to do with Marshalls of the past.

So THIS is why we don't recommend MG series halfstack. It is because it is not the Marshall halfstack like you probably imagined. This is why I recommend that if you really wanna buy a Marshall halfstack, it is wiser to wait and buy a good Marshall amp, and I already gave you some suggestions what to buy, but will give again you the best option for the your money IMO.

"Mini" halfstack consisting of:

AVT100 combo
1x12 speaker Marshall cabinet.

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post Sep 21 2008, 10:33 PM
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I just looked on ebay, and you can get a MARSHALL jcm-800 for under $1000- that's including the shipping, which is obviously pretty ridiculous since a half stack weighs a TON. It might be kind of guesswork because you don't know exactly what you're going to get, but usually it is very hard to screw up a good amp like that. But you probably ought to be careful anyways. I bet you could get a good deal though if you wait on it.


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post Sep 22 2008, 02:43 PM
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JCM800 for 1000$ is a good price, but there could be definitely something wrong with it. The free shipping can mean that the guy just wants to get rid of it fast.. Also amp is something that needs to be tried. Only new amp can be bought via net, or from a well known buyer.

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post Sep 22 2008, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (sidewas lightning @ Sep 21 2008, 11:33 PM) *
I just looked on ebay, and you can get a MARSHALL jcm-800 for under $1000- that's including the shipping, which is obviously pretty ridiculous since a half stack weighs a TON.

Is that $1000 for a half stack?

it also depends on the model of JCM800. The 2203 would never go for $1000 (if it does, be suspicious) and if it's the 2005 (later 50W) it's quite expensive if it's the head only. With a 4x12 cab included it's alright.

A 2205 in good condition with a fresh set of tubes, $600-700 tops. A cabinet 1960 the same. That's what it's worth. People will be greedy and ask for more even if not in mint condition but question is if they get their stuff sold. Maybe a bit cheaper in the US.
An original 2203 runs for at least double of that.


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post Sep 22 2008, 09:46 PM
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Well im wanting to play w/ my band at our high school in march
wat shud i do? all i have is a frgn small 15 amp!!!!! and all my cables are bad....
being the best guitarist in the high school is great but it's hard when ur not rich like those other kids who pretty much....well need practice! ive always practiced on small solid amps and they practiced w/ heavy distortion and really nice guitars, amps, etc! u know what i mean.

wish they werent so stingy either! sad.gif
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:45 PM
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If you need that amp just for that one gig, it is far better option to loan an amp and pay like 30-40$ for a nice big tube amp for that gig.


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post Sep 25 2008, 09:57 PM
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guys i live in alabama...they dont do that.
it would take me like 2 or 3 hrs to even START to find a music store that would do it and my uncles amp messed up when i was using it to.... i have bad luck huh.gif
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post Sep 25 2008, 10:55 PM
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OK mate, just going through your options here. How 'bout checking out with to organizer of that gig? I'm sure they have some contacts that you are not aware of. Can you somehow get a phone number of the gig organizers?


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 17 2008, 12:54 PM) *
Correction, TSL601 is arguably the amp that also has the best clean sound cool.gif


My tsl has unbelievably good cleansound. Haven't tried any other marshall serie however.
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 25 2008, 01:55 PM) *
OK mate, just going through your options here. How 'bout checking out with to organizer of that gig? I'm sure they have some contacts that you are not aware of. Can you somehow get a phone number of the gig organizers?


Its just our high school and there equipment are peavys and the aboslutely are old and the sound quality is horrible! so idk i guess i'll literaly have to just steal one!!! ohmy.gif ...... laugh.gif just joking but idk really wat to do now.
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Is your budget still 700$? For that kind of money, you can get a good loud hybrid amp.

Can you tell me what kind of music you play, and what kind of music will you play on that gig. Also how big the venue is, and what PA system do they have there. If you give me this info, perhaps I can help you better mate.


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post Sep 28 2008, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 27 2008, 02:55 PM) *
Is your budget still 700$? For that kind of money, you can get a good loud hybrid amp.

Can you tell me what kind of music you play, and what kind of music will you play on that gig. Also how big the venue is, and what PA system do they have there. If you give me this info, perhaps I can help you better mate.

I really wish i could but im a clueless guitarist.
but we're playing Waking the demon by BFMV and Free bird!


but really im into 80s rock and some metal from back then and id really like to have something w/ nice Hard Rock Tone
im even into some synester gates. We're playing in an auditiorium and then in the gym much later that night.
i know im an idiot and not helping u much but this is all i can say...i just confused myself! mad.gif
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Well, do you ate least know on what venue you're gonna play? How big is it? If the PA system is good, you can mic a relatively small amp and still be heard very loud you know.


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Well keep in mind that you can gig pretty nicely with a 50watt hybrid amp (combo or anything)...Its loud enough for small clubs and in larger venues you will anyway need to mic the amp (and the rest of the band) so the power really doesn't matter much (it will be used for your monitoring purposes on stage)...In most cases amps should and will be mic-ed (whole bend + drums + singer) so I wouldn't worry much about that...

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well some things came up so my budget is no longer 700$ sad.gif
and itll be about 300$ now. so no half stack just an ok amp i guess!
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