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post Sep 17 2008, 01:42 AM
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Has anyone ever played a MIDI guitar? If so, have you ever used it to play into a software program like a MIDI Keyboard? I'm wondering how effect they are - do they really work?
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post Sep 17 2008, 01:52 AM
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I have tried it in Sonar. It works really well. It picks all little things like bending, vibrato... It assigns those effects to midi effects like (bending = pitch wheel) and so on... It's also cool to play drums on midi guitar. You can't have proper guitar sound with a midi guitar. What you hear are actually midi notes trigerred from some sampler. It's just a tool to help you make your midi files easier. The same like midi keyboard. You can buy a midi pickup for 100-200$ and stick it under strings next to the bridge. It will work ok.


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post Sep 17 2008, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 16 2008, 07:52 PM) *
I have tried it in Sonar. It works really well. It picks all little things like bending, vibrato... It assigns those effects to midi effects like (bending = pitch wheel) and so on... It's also cool to play drums on midi guitar. You can't have proper guitar sound with a midi guitar. What you hear are actually midi notes trigerred from some sampler. It's just a tool to help you make your midi files easier. The same like midi keyboard. You can buy a midi pickup for 100-200$ and stick it under strings next to the bridge. It will work ok.


Thanks. Actually, the Sebilius program that you just told me about is what made me think of it! smile.gif
I have a MIDI keyboard but I can't play keys to save my life so I was thinking that I could use a MIDI guitar to trigger the keyboard samples. And, with software to record the score via MIDI as I play, that would be a huge time saver. Any pick-ups in particular that work well?
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post Sep 17 2008, 02:05 AM
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I'm very interested in that. Emir (and rest) can you please tell me what are your experiences with MIDI guitar pickups? Do they really pickup notes and write MIDI well?


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post Sep 17 2008, 02:10 AM
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I'm checking this out and I see that Roland makes one that seems to be getting favorable reviews:

http://www.roland.com/PRODUCTS/EN/GK-3/index.html

My question about this model or any model is, how does it hook into a sequencer? Right now I use a USB port from my MIDI keyboard to Protools. How does the MIDI pickup connect?
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post Sep 17 2008, 02:43 AM
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It looks like for what I want to do, I would need two pieces of equipment:

Midi pickup - Roland GK3 or similar http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GK3/ $185 USD
Interface for USB Roland GI-20 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GI20/ $445 USD

Looks like an expensive venture. dry.gif Unless there is some other option to connect straight from the MIDI pickup without using this USB interface.

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post Sep 17 2008, 03:02 AM
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I don't have one but I tried it in one studio in London. It really did what is supposed to do. Yes it can pick all notes. You even have the velocity sensor on the pickup which you can adjust. If your sample has 16 layers of sounds you can adjust each string sensitivity on the midi pickup and set your quietest and loudest point so you get all your layers. When you hit strings with full power it will play sample from 127 velocity of that sound and opposite. That way it has more dynamics and sounds more natural.

When you mentioned Sibelius, of course you can plug it in with the midi cable and record. I am sure you will have to fix and quantize some notes but it will definitely save you time. USB has nothing to do with this. You need midi input. Many better soundcards have midi in/out. If yours doesn't have one you can buy USB midi controler for 15-20$. The cheapest will work. Then you connect your midi cable and in your recording software chose that midi input port for midi recording and you're ready to go.

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Looks like an expensive venture. dry.gif Unless there is some other option to connect straight from the MIDI pickup without using this USB interface.


this has all you need, it uses standard midi 13 pin connector

http://kellysmusic.ca/productinfo.asp?id=1510025190

just make sure you have midi input on your sound card. If not buy a cheap USB midi controler

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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 16 2008, 08:51 PM) *
I don't have one but I tried it in one studio in London. It really did what is supposed to do. Yes it can pick all notes. You even have the velocity sensor on the pickup which you can adjust. If your sample has 16 layers of sounds you can adjust each string sensitivity on the midi pickup and set your quietest and loudest point so you get all your layers. When you hit strings with full power it will play sample from 127 velocity of that sound and opposite. That way it has more dynamics and sounds more natural.

When you mentioned Sibelius, of course you can plug it in with the midi cable and record. I am sure you will have to fix and quantize some notes but it will definitely save you time. USB has nothing to do with this. You need midi input. Many better soundcards have midi in/out. If yours doesn't have one you can buy USB midi controler for 15-20$. The cheapest will work. Then you connect your midi cable and in your recording software chose that midi input port for midi recording and you're ready to go.


Excellent! I didn't even think of that. Ahh..So the cable that is supplied with these pick-ups is a midi out cable! Man, what a knuclklehead I am! I don't know what I was thinking huh.gif ... This is great. Thanks, Emir! I'm gonna get one biggrin.gif I may even be able to use the MIDI on my PODxt or even the keyboard. Either way I'll work it out. Great!!!
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post Sep 17 2008, 03:23 AM
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I've got the GK-3. I use it through the Roland GI-20 interface.
The pickup works like a charm. It responds well and is very accurate, but the accuracy is also one of the downsides to it.
Sometimes you have to play as flawless as humanly possible because It will pick up the slighest tiny error. It might just be the pick touching a muted string. But you can always edit it out afterwards offcourse smile.gif

This also depends on the sensitivity etc. you set it up to use through the controller.

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post Sep 17 2008, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Sep 16 2008, 09:23 PM) *
Sometimes you have to play as flawless as humanly possible


I guess I'll be doing a lot of edits! laugh.gif
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post Sep 17 2008, 10:56 AM
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the help. I'm considering getting GK3, I had a good deal a week ago, don't know if it is still active...


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I can't play keys either Jeff and so have used a Roland (the older GK mk2 - Trond's got the latest version) to input midi data and as a trigger device for hardware synth modules for a few years.

It's ok but can take a little while to set up cleanly and you may have to adapt your picking technique a bit. Mine tracks pretty well - but falls down on very fast passages, bends, slurs, muted notes/chords.

One thing I found is that you also have to relate to what you are trying to emulate. If you're emulating a sax then play single note sax type runs rather than say comp jazz guitar chords. If you do the latter it will sound like a bad guitar player pretending to be a saxophonist smile.gif .

I played a Synthax many years ago - sadly no longer available afaik and was very expensive when it was around. Tracking was better than the Roland but really did require a major rethink on technique. Roland is more guitar friendly. Apart from the Roland check out the Axxiom (sp?) from, I think, M-Audio. It is supposed to be the most guitar friendly of any guitar to midi converter and have better, more accurate and faster tracking than the Roland for about the same price.

There are few guitars where they have the Roland midi pickup built in as standard - which can provide an ideal set up straight out of the box. Godin make some as do, I think, Sadowsky.

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