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post Sep 18 2008, 02:12 AM
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Hey Gmcers,
So i am pretty sure that i am going to buy Gibson Les Paul Studio (Fireburst), all i have left to do is try it out and buy it this weekend. My friend said their necks though are slow. So my question is how can a guitars neck be slow? i know the les paul necks are pretty fat, but is that it?
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post Sep 18 2008, 02:51 AM
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I believe the new studios use a '59 neck, they are fatter than the 60's neck but are still quite fast, they definitely aren't as fat as you would see on a custom. Neck speed generally refers to how skinny the neck as far as I know, and if you look at some of the instructors we have use studios and play quite fast actually haha... yes there are guitars with faster necks, ibanez is quite famous for having ridiculously fast necks, but how skinny a neck is isn't everything...ultimately you want to try it out and see what you like best, many players prefer the 50's neck over the 60's
you won't go wrong with a les paul studio, great guitar
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post Sep 18 2008, 04:19 AM
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agree with the above. i have 8 guitars, including a Parker with graphite neck, and thin neck Strat, Firebird, and SG. I consider my 58 Reissue Les Paul as easy to play as any.

When people say fast, I have no idea what they are talking about. I think that is just some meaningless mantra that they keep repeating, sort of like butt naked aboriginal natives dancing around a campfire chanting. They think what they are saying means something also.

The only issue is where the neck attaches. You get used to it, and then don't need a cutout there. It means nothing to me now, although when I just began 2 years ago, I would have been attracted to it (were it not for Jimmy Page being the most significant guitarist in history). I also have a theory that the problem a lot of guys hare having with their hands is due to those types of guitars, that the Les Paul type is much healthier for your hands. I am pretty sure of that.

And you will get stronger. I figure it is better to play something that will make you stronger. You can always move to something more tapered later. But you probably won't, I always revert back to my Les Pauls, they just sound better, and sustain better.

Fair and balanced analysis.

edit: I like the fireburst studios, that is my favorite color of that line. black is my second. unless you get the Premium ++ where you see the flamed AAA top, but those cost more.

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post Sep 18 2008, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Sep 17 2008, 10:19 PM) *
I think that is just some meaningless mantra that they keep repeating, sort of like butt naked aboriginal natives dancing around a campfire chanting. They think what they are saying means something also.


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post Sep 18 2008, 07:05 AM
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I think it also depends a bit on size of your hands. I have quite small hands and prefer rather think necks (but not as thin as Wizards neck from Ibanez). Also check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spWLZ4aUfuY . It doesen't seem like Les Paul is slowing him down tongue.gif.


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post Sep 18 2008, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Sep 18 2008, 05:19 AM) *
When people say fast, I have no idea what they are talking about.

I second that sort of, I know what they refer to as low action and skinny neck makes Freddie shred like a demon. But if that adds someting in reality is a different matter. In 99% of the cases I think the limitation sits in the player and not in a stubby neck so for the most case a thin neck will add nothing regarding speed, but a little bit regarding being easy to handle and it will cut a lot of tone.
If "fast" is what someone strives for and choose a guitar with a skinny neck and sets the action low, well, ok, maybe some milliseconds are gained, I admit to that if the player is teriffic, since a thin neck is easier than a fat one. But for what purpose?

Moving the fret hand through thin air would be the fastest, can't beat that really speedwise. Talk about fast! But how about tone? Was that forgotten along the way on the hunt for speed. It sure was, a thin neck will never ever deliver a tone that's even close to the full tone of a fatter neck with high action. And to combine a thin neck with low action to further kill the tone... I guess most speed kings don't realize that part. Or they do and are willing to sacrifice tone for speed.

A real blues player has the action set so high he can bend under the other strings on the higher frets cool.gif
And even Yngwie has a high action since he wants lots of sustain and he's still fast.


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post Sep 18 2008, 08:40 AM
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I can't imagine it's got a "slow" neck.
I've got pretty small hands and my Gibson with a rounded neck plays like butter smile.gif

And it's a great guitar, I don't think you'll be dissapointed smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2008, 12:05 PM
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None of my guitars slow me down in the slightest,and I think the LP necks are a joy to play.I think LP's have an image for hard rock and a lot of guitarists these days see super strats as shred machines.
couldnt be further than the truth
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post Sep 18 2008, 01:27 PM
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Hm, I own a SG with a 50s neck and a Les Paul Standard with a 60s neck. As a matter of preference I prefer the slimmer 60s neck. I would play ALL the Les Pauls you can - even ones WAY out of your price range, find what feels best. If you need to save for another year do it, get the guitar that melts in your hands....
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post Sep 18 2008, 02:19 PM
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Doesn't seem to slow him down either^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQWCH9ffY3k

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post Sep 20 2008, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (Guitarist16 @ Sep 17 2008, 09:12 PM) *
Hey Gmcers,
So i am pretty sure that i am going to buy Gibson Les Paul Studio (Fireburst), all i have left to do is try it out and buy it this weekend. My friend said their necks though are slow. So my question is how can a guitars neck be slow? i know the les paul necks are pretty fat, but is that it?


"Slow" has almost become a meaningless term. Some people are obsessed with finding the thinnest neck possible, becase its "fast" but, in reality, a guitar with a flat neck would be impossible to play. The les paul necks are comfortable, and fast really refers to your fingers and how they feel around the guitar as you play. So you should have a reasonable curve to the guitar neck. Whatever you buy, I think it will be fine anyway. I tried out about 30 guitars at a shop one week and none of them felt "fast". Just comfortable. And in my opinion, I would go with the LP studio. I think the arch top and chambered body really make a difference on that one. Best guitar I've ever played.



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post Sep 20 2008, 03:28 PM
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Wow thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it. I am buying it today and adding a screw less pick guard. Its going to be great. Thanks again for all the insight.
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post Sep 20 2008, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (Guitarist16 @ Sep 20 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Wow thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it. I am buying it today and adding a screw less pick guard. Its going to be great. Thanks again for all the insight.


Congrats mate , that is a very very good instrument and I'm sure you'll be very happy with it! Post some pictures and impressions when you get it! smile.gif


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