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besip
post Sep 18 2008, 04:14 AM
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Hi i'm was again restring my Guitar..using metod when i'm take all of them down wait clean guitar restring wait 24 hour to get neck back to the main position and get BIGGGGG BUzzing.....

actualy i'm start belive my Guitar is from Cheap material becouse always when i'm do that i'm have big buzzing and my neck is changing positions ......

actualy what is the best checking neck bow system guys????
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actualy i'm have cheap Esp VIper 50 ltd so i'm not afraid work a lite with the neck Truss Rood
i'm also have Tune o matic bridge...it's is ok have the stop bar tide??? and try to work just with bridge???
or in which case i'm need to also puting up the sto bar???

actualy i'm work all day with the buzing but when i'm avoid that on 1 side..then thats coming from other side mad.gif smile.gif i'm know lot of you gonna say go to made guitar setup but i'm don't wana do that any time when i'm restring my guitar...it's cheap guitar and i'm can learn something

huh i'm wish to have neck Like Ivan on His restring Video lesson biggrin.gif becouse my is going always crazy huh.gif

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post Sep 18 2008, 04:29 AM
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hold the bass string down at the 1st fret and where the neck joins the body. see how much spacing you at say the 6th fret or there abouts. It should have a little spacing, but not much more than the width of the thin E string, not very much. Use a capo on the first fret and hold down the fret where it joins the neck, and take a high e string and run between that fret and the bass string to see what the clearance is. I set it a bit lower than that, but you can see a bit of space.

if you adjust your neck, loosen the rod first, and then turn it back to where it was. if you tighten it more than that, and it starts to get much harder to to tighten than it did returning it to the initial position, you had better stop and let a tech look at it.

If you have a neck totally straight, you will get buzz at the frets near the nut. the first 3 or 4.

If there is too much bow, you probably will set your action too low to compensate, and get buzz everywhere.

if you do something dopey and snap your neck, don't blame me (disclaimer)

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post Sep 18 2008, 04:44 AM
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Thanks for your Reply
actualy that system i'm also using...there is same recomendations check neck bow on my esp book...looks like my problem is right bridge setings.....i'm work on that and now it's little better..the main buuzz i'm got now on low-e and a-string..when i'm hit the string the buuzz is coming usualy from area where is frets 20-24

maybe 1 more litle question it's the check system also work same when u have the bridge on non right position??{like more up or down} becouse if yes my problem is then for sure bridge and stop bar setings

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post Sep 18 2008, 05:09 AM
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QUOTE (besip @ Sep 17 2008, 10:44 PM) *
maybe 1 more litle question it's the check system also work same when u have the bridge on non right position??{like more up or down} becouse if yes my problem is then for sure bridge and stop bar setings


you are welcome. for fret buzz, once you are sure your neck set to almost straight as I mentioned, the bridge is everything from that point on. if you can't adjust that and get it right, something is wrong with the frets. we all get some buzz if we hit the string hard, it is not like an acoustic. strings are looser because lighter, and we all set the action lower. you just don't want buzz when you are picking lightly, which we do in the style of play taught here.

could your restate question? I am having trouble figuring what you are saying.
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post Sep 18 2008, 05:38 AM
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sure i'm just asking if the bridge position have something to do when u checking the neck bow\but probaly not right cool.gif becouse we are using the neck rolleyes.gif
hope u got me

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QUOTE (besip @ Sep 17 2008, 11:38 PM) *
sure i'm just asking if the bridge position have something to do when u checking the neck bow\but probaly not right cool.gif becouse we are using the neck 1 and 16 fret for example rolleyes.gif
hope u got me


you are right. it is independent on that test of anything else. that is why it is done first.

if you adjust it, be careful. as I said, loosen if a quarter turn first, and then tighten it back to where you started from. get a feel for the tension. if you tighten it more after that point, it should feel pretty much the same, if it gets stiff, don't force it. the adjustment can max out, and you can't tell by looking, you take it to a tech if you are in doubt.

you were real clear this time.
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post Sep 18 2008, 07:28 PM
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Did you change the gauge of strings Besip? If you put thicker strings or even a different brand it is possible that action changed a bit, so is the tension. Not all sets of strings have the same tension when pitched to standard tuning.



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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 18 2008, 01:28 PM) *
Did you change the gauge of strings Besip? If you put thicker strings or even a different brand it is possible that action changed a bit, so is the tension. Not all sets of strings have the same tension when pitched to standard tuning.



no Ivan i'm put there same brand and size of string..actualy i'm change them becouse i'm have them long time and aslo i'm start here some buzzing .i'm not sure if some string was break or the neck was change position

maybe the problem is Changing temperature..i'm was move from florida to chicago and also in florida i'm have problem somethine

i'm start belive the neck quality isn't good..if i'm right you also dont have to mutch exepnsive guitar and when you changing string {all of them}everything is ok

hope soon i'm update my guitar to new one and don't be have same problem again



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I change strings on both my guitars and always take them all, the neck should go back. Do you loose sustain when you play? For example, is the buzzing so big that the fret actually prevents the string from ringing and you loose tone? You can check this on your amp.


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 18 2008, 05:52 PM) *
I change strings on both my guitars and always take them all, the neck should go back. Do you loose sustain when you play? For example, is the buzzing so big that the fret actually prevents the string from ringing and you loose tone? You can check this on your amp.



i'm changing the string 2 days ago and then i'm was wait 24 hour with wish to to be ok..i'm was unhapy becouse i'm have bigg buzzing..what i'm was do after that i'm was work a ltle with the neck bow and now is everything mutch mutch better...i'm still have a litle buzz but it's ok to play

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post Sep 19 2008, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (besip @ Sep 19 2008, 01:02 AM) *
i'm changing the string 2 days ago and then i'm was wait 24 hour with wish to to be ok..i'm was unhapy becouse i'm have bigg buzzing..what i'm was do after that i'm was work a ltle with the neck bow and now is everything mutch mutch better...i'm still have a litle buzz but it's ok to play


Some guitars need adjusting , and you may be right about it being the temperature change thing..Though it should not be so radical and often (getting buzzing after restring)..Its good you played around with the neck adjustment, for some guitars its impossible to set it up perfectly (no buzz at all)..Maybe you can play around to see if you can diminish even more the buzz present...Also if you have one around , guitar tech could do the job and diagnostics so you know what your up against in the future...


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thanks Bogdan for reply..actualy i'm got u
i'm also made some neck adjustment by my self and everything is ok...i'm got a little buzz but thats ok
actualy like i'm write before i'm have bigg buzz after every restring..the guitar was cheap 199$ and i'm don't wana made adjustment everythime i'm restring becouse the charge is usualu around 30-50$ and i'm dont belive thats help to my guitar to stay ok on next restring{i'm all ready did that 1 time}

but thats ok i'm have cheap guitar so i'm can adjust the beast by my self
but on case when i'm buy new baby and more expensive i'm will take the baby to profesional adjustment guy rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE (besip @ Sep 19 2008, 05:10 AM) *
thanks Bogdan for reply..actualy i'm got u
i'm also made some neck adjustment by my self and everything is ok...i'm got a little buzz but thats ok
actualy like i'm write before i'm have bigg buzz after every restring..the guitar was cheap 199$ and i'm don't wana made adjustment everythime i'm restring becouse the charge is usualu around 30-50$ and i'm dont belive thats help to my guitar to stay ok on next restring{i'm all ready did that 1 time}

but thats ok i'm have cheap guitar so i'm can adjust the beast by my self
but on case when i'm buy new baby and more expensive i'm will take the baby to profesional adjustment guy rolleyes.gif


I was rather thinking in lines of complete diagnostic by the tech why it happens (and maybe a repair)..But if you have learned how to adjust the neck for minimal buzz that's even better, and you don't need to go to tech! Just do it after every restring if its needed...
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