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post Sep 19 2008, 01:11 PM
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Hi Everyone, hope you're still practicing!
I have a question which some of you might like to offer some feedback on.
In the 80s, we had more rock and HM bands than you could throw a stick at, all talented musicians, although, obviously some were more talented than others. I'm talking AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Saxon, The Scorpions, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, Dio, Magnum, Queensryche, Rush, etc, etc, the list is endless. Today, although a lot of these bands are still playing, they are getting on a bit, and I get to wondering, where are the similar bands that should be coming through to take their place, given that there are still millions of people out who are busily learning to play guitar in their bedrooms, copying all the guitar heroes - Hendrix, Clapton, Angus Young, Malmsteen, Hamett, Rhoads, Iommi, Tipton, Downing, Lifeson, Schenker, etc.
Personally, I'm a bit annoyed by today's so called 'rock bands' - I can't even think of any of their names (Kaiser Chiefs?), but all they seem to do is strum a couple of boring chords all the way through their songs, play a rubbish 'solo', and people go mad for 'em.
If there are so many people out there who love HM etc, and they're busy learning to play this stuff, where are all the new Iron Maidens, Whitesnakes, and AC/DCs?
I know we have a lot of rock bands about at the moment, but they're not really in the classification of what you'd call melodic rock, or melodic heavy metal. I do like a lot of the more thrashier modern bands, but if loads of younger people are learning from the likes of AC/DC, where's the new AC/DC?
Are we destined never to have another 'Phantom of the Opera', 'Whole Lotta Rosie', or 'Blizzard of Oz'?
I hope not!!!!!

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post Sep 19 2008, 02:04 PM
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I agree with ya. I'm not from those days, but my dad owns lots of cd's from back then. That's how I know all these bands. The music back then was way better then it is now! No offence, of course there are some good bands, but it's like they're all one-day-flies. The fact that most people still now Iron Maiden, metallica etc. is because they were good. Bands these days get a hit, some of them (for instance RHCP) have some more hits, but most only have one and then dissapear of screen.

as I said, no offence to anyone, there still are some great bands, like RHCP!


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post Sep 19 2008, 02:20 PM
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I´ve been thinking the same thing for years. I was born in ´74 and grew up listening to those old bands. Most rock for the last two decades is just boring to my ears. Guitarsolos were out of fasion, except for the virtuosa stuff, Malmsteen Vai, Satriani and all that. I think guitarists today are too good, or too technical if you like. But I miss those good old and simpler rock´n roll and classic heavy metal players from the 70´s and 80´s. I wish more bands today played something simular to that.

To sum things up:

Rock and metal from the 90´s and 00´s, are just plane boring.

Guitar virtuosa rockfusionmetalneoclassic or what you want to call it is just fine up to a point, but you get tired of it after a while.

Good old classic rock or heavy metal.........you can never get enough!!!!!!

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post Sep 19 2008, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (Gilmore @ Sep 19 2008, 02:20 PM) *
..don´t get mad. wink.gif


Get even!! .... rolleyes.gif arr "Samson" those where the days laugh.gif

yea good points, often thought the same myself, there is without doubt a market for these bands imo too.

My band strived in the early ninties to do just this kind of metal, but it had started to move on more into the thrash Napalm Death type metal and people just wernt interested in it anymore, years later on and like you say theres no one coming through to replace these greats! sad.gif


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post Sep 19 2008, 02:56 PM
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Back in the early 80s Samson and IM were lucky to get a lot of media coverage via 'Sounds' and its 'NWOBHM' campaign and so - for a brief period - fashionable. Heavy Rock/Metal doesn't get anything like the same mass/general coverage nowadays and is seen as a fringe youth cult movement that is also 'unfashionable' with little cultural capital or appeal as far as the general press is concerned. Groups like the Kaiser Chiefs however happen to be fashionable just at the moment and so get a lot of attention and win awards, which in turn brings to the attention of more people and makes them yet more fashionable.

Music however tends to go in cycles so there may well be a resurgence of interest just around the corner. Some of the groups mentioned in the OP date back to the 70s and spent a lot of years being 'unfashionable' before 'Sounds' and the 'NWOBHM'. Old Michael Schenker has been in and out of fashion he must be getting dizzy by now wink.gif.

Anyway just because the media doesn't see HR as fashionable at the moment doesn't of course mean that there aren't groups playing it and fans buying it. It is still a healthy 'cult' and because of that I'd expect us to again see some new HR group turn out something to rank with the old classics.

BTW - I can remember a friend saying way back in the late 70s that because of Punk we'd never see the likes of BOC's 'Don't Fear the Reaper' emerge from a new group as they couldn't play. Few years later along came Iron Maiden...

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post Sep 19 2008, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE (kevvyg @ Sep 19 2008, 08:11 AM) *
Personally, I'm a bit annoyed by today's so called 'rock bands' - I can't even think of any of their names (Kaiser Chiefs?), but all they seem to do is strum a couple of boring chords all the way through their songs, play a rubbish 'solo', and people go mad for 'em.

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Exactly why I look outside of the states these days for new and existing talent. cool.gif


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post Sep 19 2008, 03:57 PM
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The industry turned into something else and that affected everything. Media is also a big problem. They don't give space to any similar style you mentioned. It's about business. Today's industry is about having nice looking girls on MTV and charts, industry doesn't care if they don't know how to sing. They make money.

Even if there is a band to make good song as Whole Lotta Rosie (as you mentioned), I don't think people would know much about it. I hate today's industry but I think unfortunately there is nothing we can do.


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post Sep 19 2008, 04:21 PM
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I think the biggest problem is the cloning that goes on in the industry today to keep up with other labels.

Early on bands were unique and they had a signature sound that was all their own, the record companies gave them time to mature their sound and build a following. Nowadays its all about turn over.

Musicians these days have become commodities and the record industry are day traders. No long term investements.


The cloning i mentioned above is a big culprit. You take a group like Nickel back, when they first hit the scene i thought they were fairly unique, if they had been the only ones they would mature and build a following. But instead other labels had to make clones, next thing you know the airways are flooded with sound alikes and people get tired of being barraged by it and move onto the next new thing.

I think this it the reason why alot of musicians with an ounce of talent eventually create their own labels, so they can have complete creative and financial control of their music careers.

Maybe someday someone will figure it all out and there will be a shift in thinking. Here is to hoping.


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post Sep 20 2008, 12:41 AM
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Yes it is a bad situation indeed. Current music industry has got to a dead end. We need something fresh, and a new technology for media distributing.
There are no big bands, everything is hyper production.


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post Sep 20 2008, 11:16 AM
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Today if you went to get noticed you need a hot girl or two next to you on your concerts cd posters etc. Especially if you want to play that kind of music which now days doesn't fall under mainstream.
But don't give up cause there is lot of great managers and record labels that are keeping old rock metal thing alive and searching for artists to produce them.

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post Sep 20 2008, 12:08 PM
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I'd say that mainstream consists pretty much of everything nowadays... almost every style is present and listened to more or less...

Personally, if I were in a band whatsoever, no matter how much I loved the good old 70-80s bands and how strongly inspired I was by their great music - I definitely wouldn't want to sound similar to any of them... would you ???

I think it's all about personal touch every worthy musician is trying to add to the already existing music expression patterns he grew up listening to. That's partly how styles happen to change over the years too... and there's nothing wrong with that imho - all legendary bands and performers will be engraved in music history forever anyways smile.gif


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post Sep 20 2008, 12:43 PM
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My friend you are absolutly right

thats why i am working my head of in GMC , we need more bands like the old days and i plan on doing something HUGE
and GMC is helping me alot.

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post Sep 20 2008, 12:52 PM
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jet is kind of like AC/DC but I no wut u r talking about. What happened to the hardcore stuff and the epiuc songs and the huge concerts and the blasting guitar solos. I feel like I missed out on that awesome era and now all we have are the Jonas Brothers

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QUOTE (kevvyg @ Sep 19 2008, 01:11 PM) *
If there are so many people out there who love HM etc, and they're busy learning to play this stuff, where are all the new Iron Maidens, Whitesnakes, and AC/DCs?
I know we have a lot of rock bands about at the moment, but they're not really in the classification of what you'd call melodic rock, or melodic heavy metal. I do like a lot of the more thrashier modern bands, but if loads of younger people are learning from the likes of AC/DC, where's the new AC/DC?
Are we destined never to have another 'Phantom of the Opera', 'Whole Lotta Rosie', or 'Blizzard of Oz'?
I hope not!!!!!

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Sorry man, those bands you mentioned are one of a kind, there will NEVER be another Whitesnake, Iron Maiden, or AC/DC. And the reason is simple, those bands were the sum of their parts, the unique individuals that made up the band, when those people got together and got the creative juices flowing they were unstoppable, their creative minds were exactly what the people of those times needed, so they became popular despite their counter-culture views, or progressive music(In the case of Iron Maiden). But I'm sure you know this already.

What I personally want from musicians these days is something different and exciting, interesting, yet catchy, but catchy in a different way. People have changed, we are in need of a different kind of bands, bands that make music for these times. Honestly if I heard a band that sounded like Iron Maiden's 666 era as much as Warbringer sounds like old school thrash, I probably wouldn't be interested enough to look for the name of that band. Sorry those bands just don't interest me, I've already heard those riffs, and vocals. I want something new.

I went through the same phase when I was younger as well, I was listening to a lot of Priest, and Maiden, along with old school thrash, and I always wondered "Man where's all the good stuff these days, it sounds nothing like the 80's stuff." I realized later that I couldn't expect new bands to sound like old bands, and once I stopped expecting anything from new bands, the more they started to sound good to me, and I was able to see that, yes, they are influenced by the old awesome bands I loved, they're just trying to sound different, and I respect that now.

There are great bands out there now, maybe new awesome bands aren't just popping into the mainstream like they used to, but dig deep enough and you'll find something you like. The Mars Volta may not sound like all the old bands that you know and love, but they have definitely been influenced by them, and they have come up with their own unique sound, so they aren't the new Thin Lizzys, they are just The Mars Volta. And I think that's what they're striving for, to make their own mark on music not someone else's mark.

But if you're set on hearing new old stuff, listen to Airbourne or something, they really sound like AC/DC(but that's why they suck IMO).


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post Sep 20 2008, 02:31 PM
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I thought the same thing some years ago, and was afraid great rock, and heavy metal was going to disappear, but somehow I am always able to find great new stuff, of course it is not mainstream like it used to be, Iron Maiden use to fill a stadium 4 nights in a row back in the 80's, now they don't even play in the U.S.

Great Heavy Metal still exists, it is just harder to find


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post Sep 20 2008, 04:58 PM
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i dont want a new ac/dc or iron maiden, i want something fresh, and new. the true sign that your out of ideas, is when all you can do is look to the past and copy that. if anyone thinks todays artists are boring and useless, then they need to look a little harder. rock and metal nowadays is just as strong, if not stronger, as it was 20 or 30 years ago. we need to stop being stuck in the past and move forward. explore some independent artists. just because its not major label does not mean its not good.

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Firs of all,great topic.But I think there bands that today fighting(young bands),and you haw to admit,they haw(bands today) a harder situation,they need to fight wit Hip Hop,R&B.....mainstream.So band like Audioslave,Slipknot are to me band worth mentioning.


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I think the good music is still around. Just because the "Era" of classic rock and roll is dieing i don't think it is gone. Search the underground for music. Metal is almost an entirely underground genre to tell the truth. Those of us who listen to metal don't see it as underground but it really is. Bands like Mnemic, Darkest Hour, Dark Tranquility, Opeth, Meshuggah they are all doing new and exciting things with music but the majority of people will never hear it. I don't think there is a lack of Classic Rock bands taking over i just think the majority aren't interested, therefore the good bands either die off or change their sound so that the majority will be interested. Its a shame that there isn't a demand for good ol rock and roll anymore but everything occurs in trends, and maybe one day it will come back. I can't recall on memory, but i know of times where thousands and thousands of young girls would go absolutly crazy over the beatles. Now days if you find any beatles lovers amoungst highschool girls i would be impressed. Trends sad.gif rather than looking for bands that sound like the old bands you love try finding new bands whos sound you like as well.


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This is a topic right up my street!

I think that when we come to 2020 people will be looking back at the best bands of the 90's and 00's and say that bands of today (2020) aren't what they used to be.

We have some great bands about now that I think will be genre definers in a few years. As with with most things you don't realise what you have at the time until you look back years later.

I think Queens of Stone Age guitarist, Josh Homme, is a straight up rock and roller who will have big influences in the future. Also Kyuss, though split up are very influencial.

Obviously bands that have a unique image like Slipknot will have a massive effect in the future in terms of band image.
Mustn't forget that bands like My Dying Bride make brilliant music and started the whole doom metal sound.
Whatever you think of Korn, they made popular the mix of Rap and Metal that will continue to be influential.
Bands like Symphony X have made 'neoclassical' popular, taking progressive from the 70's and tweaking it for the 00's.

There will be a lot to look back at in 20 years.

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