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post Sep 23 2008, 08:38 PM
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I always wanted to go for a les paul - so i finally got one since 3 months, but i´m realy missing the floyd rose:/

Is it senseful to put it into a paul and if yes, how expensive would this be, if i want to achieve a good quality?

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post Sep 23 2008, 08:47 PM
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I had a guitar store do that. It's some years ago and I was young and dumm. It just destroyed my Les Paul. The guitar audibly lost sustain und I had some serious stabilty issues because the body is not really made for getting carved out under the bridge. At least these guys weren't able to get it right. I contacted the gibson custom store and they said that they think it's super hard to do it. BTW there was a thread some weeks ago about the new LP from the Gibson custom store with a FR.
I never touched a guitar with an FR again. But I'm not a very elaborate player and since I don't have a big bag of tricks I don't need one. My old Charvel just hangs on the wall at my parents house 5000 miles away from were I live now

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post Sep 23 2008, 09:21 PM
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nearly what i thought it would be like=/
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post Sep 23 2008, 09:28 PM
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It's almost impossible to upgrade a Floyd into a Les Paul; the guitar has to be built for it from the ground up in a totally diffrent way... If you really need a Floyd Rose Les Paul then yoU'll have to buy the new Gibson Les Paul Standard Axxis series with a floyd and a couple other modifications. But when I want to play a less paul I want that beefy sound and endless sustain which would be ruined by a floating bridge.


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post Sep 24 2008, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Sep 23 2008, 03:38 PM) *
I always wanted to go for a les paul - so i finally got one since 3 months, but i´m realy missing the floyd rose:/

Is it senseful to put it into a paul and if yes, how expensive would this be, if i want to achieve a good quality?

Ty:)


I dunno, I don't think it would work. It would most likely destroy the guitar, and Gibson really doesn't recommend it. If you really miss the floyd rose, I don't know what to do.


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post Sep 24 2008, 05:59 AM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Sep 23 2008, 10:28 PM) *
It's almost impossible to upgrade a Floyd into a Les Paul; the guitar has to be built for it from the ground up in a totally diffrent way... If you really need a Floyd Rose Les Paul then yoU'll have to buy the new Gibson Les Paul Standard Axxis series with a floyd and a couple other modifications. But when I want to play a less paul I want that beefy sound and endless sustain which would be ruined by a floating bridge.


you´re right, but I just don´t knew enough about the difference in the build of a guitar with FR or without it, so I informed myself a bit, and now i got to admit that it´s probably a realy bad idea:( I gotta wait for a rain of dollars for a new baby with a FR:(

Anyways, thank you all!:)
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post Sep 24 2008, 03:08 PM
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I also think it is definitely not worth it. Big part of LP character relays on the fact that it has a fixed bridge and full solid body. It would definitely take out the soul of the guitar, so I don't recommend it mate.


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post Sep 24 2008, 03:16 PM
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This Is the Guitar I menioned: http://www.gibsoncustom.com/flash/products...essIcedTea.html


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A Les Paul is not ment to have a Floyd Rose I guess, I would definitely not try this stunt. If you really want a Les paul with a Floyd then I would also check out this new modell that already comes with the Floyd Rose, but I would never ad one to one of my Les Pauls. By the way, I know somebody that once wanted to have a Floyd Rose on his Les Paul, and he also wanted to have a Single coil between the two humbuckers, so he went to a local custom shop and asked the guys to work on his Les Paul... lol... they kicked him out and refused to ruin his guitar biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 24 2008, 07:01 PM) *
By the way, I know somebody that once wanted to have a Floyd Rose on his Les Paul, and he also wanted to have a Single coil between the two humbuckers, so he went to a local custom shop and asked the guys to work on his Les Paul... lol... they kicked him out and refused to ruin his guitar biggrin.gif


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post Sep 24 2008, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (ItsMe @ Sep 23 2008, 08:47 PM) *
I had a guitar store do that. It's some years ago and I was young and dumm. It just destroyed my Les Paul. The guitar audibly lost sustain und I had some serious stabilty issues because the body is not really made for getting carved out under the bridge. At least these guys weren't able to get it right. I contacted the gibson custom store and they said that they think it's super hard to do it. BTW there was a thread some weeks ago about the new LP from the Gibson custom store with a FR.
I never touched a guitar with an FR again. But I'm not a very elaborate player and since I don't have a big bag of tricks I don't need one. My old Charvel just hangs on the wall at my parents house 5000 miles away from were I live now


The guys that ruined mine said that it would be easy. Then they talked about some reinforcement they had to do below the part they would carve out for the tremolo. But all in all it would be no big problem. As I said above, I was super young and super dumm. Funny enough I could sell the wreck to some other stupid person. I even told him that the guitar is ruined but he thought it was super cool.

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As everyone has said the amount of routing to fit the FR rather knocks the LP's sustain. The only way to maintain the sustain is to float the FR so it stand proud above the body and there is no excessive recess (only the standard rout for the tremolo block). To do this however also requires the neck being set at a slightly different angle - not easy and to be honest something that only a very skilled luthier can do. If you don't reset the angle of the neck then the action will be a mile high. I don't think it's possible to do it with the set neck that's already on the LP. You'd need one custom made with the angle preset.

I have a floating FR on my custom double cut LP inspired guitar and the neck was set for it from the outset. With a floating setup I can get a full divebomb and it also will pull up by @ a minor 3rd before the strings ground out. Stability is fine and the sustain is the same as my LP Standard.

If you want a tremolo for a LP there are a few around that do not require routing and can be retro-fitted by the way.

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post Sep 24 2008, 08:39 PM
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haha:D I know that [email protected] but it´s pretty expensive, I asked @ my local musicstore and they just said something like " We realy like to make money, but we aren´t evil enough to ruin your les paul" smile.gif so I guess the topic is pretty clear now, thanks:)
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Sep 24 2008, 09:39 PM) *
haha:D I know that [email protected] but it´s pretty expensive, I asked @ my local musicstore and they just said something like " We realy like to make money, but we aren´t evil enough to ruin your les paul" smile.gif so I guess the topic is pretty clear now, thanks:)


Hahahahha thats a cool answer you got...Great to hear lathers are refusing to ruin such good quality instruments smile.gif


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post Sep 25 2008, 03:18 PM
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yah I was surprised - but another aspect to like the local store even more:)
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thats what makes a store a good one, a good advice smile.gif


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I suggest thet if you ever plan to sell that guitar, don´t touch anything on it, specialy puting a tremolo on it, it ruin it´s value.


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