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Gerardo Siere
post Oct 1 2008, 04:32 AM
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Hi everyone, sorry for the long wait, first off all let me tell you you all have done great, mixing was very easy and just added some eq fot some particular solos. The track has 2 chorus of the bt alone as a formal thing, then you will hear your solos in alphabetical order (I will use this and other random orders in future collabs).
Some history: this song is probably the first think I ever made with my first band in addition to playing covers of Sumo and Redondos de Ricota, so the song was the bass line repeating the melody all the time as a looping verse, then the keys where doing some relaxing and bluesy licks, and then my solo which I composed note by note ( I still do that), I will try to get some of that 1994 garage recordings (hope the keyboardist still have that record) but basically I started with a clean sound similar to the original song (Shine on you Crazy diamond) using some Gminor pentatonic in Position III (Em shape from Caged system), then i aproched the D minor emphasathing the Eb, and staying pretty much on Gm pentatonic. For chorus 2 I use the distortion channel (didn´t even have a switch pedal for my Peavey Rage 158), The first phrase started in the C of the thir string with some bend and release and raise going to the same position an entire octave, then some high bends and some fast drill with the recent discovered (for me) pick tapping.
There are 2 identical files, one is for low bandwidt conections

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01-Andrew Cockburn (0.44'')
You chose to let the track ring befor starting to play, and also you have a great sense of form in your playing with a simetric number of phrases (4+4)+(4+4). Your sound and playing is great and very solid, every nota and articulations is heared clearly, also you have varietty of articulations and color. As a nice detail for all of us to notice, Andrew started the second chorus using a similar phrase to the first one in the first chorus. I didn´t have to touch anithing to mix it and I wouldn´t dare, good to have you as instructor here.

02-Bali (1.28'')
The first chorus have some hesitant rythm values, like in some part you go off beat and come back again, this is very slightly. It is my personal tast but I think you should breath a little more between phrases, they are just too atached, also I would try to avoid very long single fading out notes, the amps is so compressed so the noto just stays ringing and it makes such an unnatural feeling, try this, turn on the amp and play an open E in the clean channel and let it ring, after 3 seconds you´ll hear a very unnatural very very very low releasse, we have to avoid using that in our solos unless you porpously want that efect.
Your second chorus is amazing, specially the the chordal thing making all that climax, and using also e very singable amd dramatic melody. Great playing, try to take a view on your breathing and in the long unnatural note.

03-Coffeman (2.12'')
In the first chorus you get a nice guitar and you have a nice diccion and playing. The second chorus have the same tesiture and stays pretty much in the same place, you could get more amazing results. Try this: use a wider tesiture range (using lower and higher notes), using more articulations like double stops, piece of chords, don´t stress so much the first beat, almost all your phrases start on the first beat and this is kina unusal in blues which is more fonding of pickups to the beat or just silence on the first beat, and also the little phrases seems kinda isolated, try stressing on a motive based on articulations, intervalic note etc. Yu played so nice but usually rock songs may have little space for the solo, so it is a good idea to concentrate in beind as killer as possible with solo. One time I played with a band and go to rehearshals and always improvised the solos, there were like 20 songs and the keys, forms and style where similar, so one day they called me to record, of course, the solos werent to nice, I was fired and someone else rerecorded that solos, don´t be like me in the future.

04-Gilmore (2.56'')

Great pickup for starting dude, also I like your violind like sound of the guitar, great phrases on the last beat of each chord (it is a very important and tension charged place in the harmonic time), also you use very well bluesy and hendrix-little-wing-like double stops and chords, I love those you can look at the lead sheed comping chord chard and you have at hand a lot of double stops and minichords to play and make climaxs. Also very original the violin like finel scales, congratulations.

05-Hendy Dietzel. (3.41'')
This is so amazing, two dialoging guitars, a whole arsenal of timbre resources and panning techniques, you are Jeff Beck!!!. Also nice citation to the original song in 3.51-3.56. The same singla and fantastique note to finish chorus one and to start choris 2, there is a singing bassy guitar and a high guitar making fills, for chorus 3 you add some phonograph picks sounds,, you really have taste!!!. Also 3 chorus, and odd number, in the last one you use a single guitar line full of picks articulations, so original and so nice, I am not worthy of commenting this solo.

06-Kaznie. (4.48) Nice phrasing, you have a nice sense of rythm, should check how you are plugging into the computer, the sound is kinda thin and the volume go down at the end. You may be pluging the guitar to the PC directy or your amp line out just sound like that. Let me know that detail so we can further discuss it. Well
done, when I was your age I did not know how to play guitar. Keep practacing, participaiong and having fun.

07-Kjutte (5.32")
There is a high anoying noice riding in your signal, had to aply a little noise gate and taking some of the 4kh in the eq but I¨m afraid I buried the solo in the mix a little. Liked the chordal entrance idea but I suggest a different rythm placement for it, check out Nihil solo. Nice dorian run in some parts. For the scale rush at the end of the chorus 1 I think it is a great idea, it builds a lot of tension, for some change try resolving that scale directly into the beggining of chorus 2, your solo will gain much force that way. Great solo, thank you for uploading.

08-Nihil (6.38)
Nice chordal starting, great bluesy and swinging feel and great the articulations of the last phhrase of chorus 1. Great sound like a lightly valve overdrive (you play soft, you sound clean, you play loud you sound harsher) beautiful detail at the end letting open the road for the next guitar pal.

09-Outlaw 2112 (7.21)
Nice idea the high gain sound with the autowah filter, but too much gate, your going in and out of the mix, we nedd the color of your huming amp for the silents, this gat thing also provoque that all your phrases starts the same way you like it or not. I added some eq to add a little more precence to the take which didnt cut so well trought the mix, try some more treblies and mediums (specialy mediums) in your eq for this kinf of setting.

10-Tj chep (8.07)
Love the long C note over G minor , very singed and very nice articulations, great using of the 9th in the Cm7 form chorus 2, you use greatly the harmonic tensions.
Great articulations tahnks a very wise use of the pick, even we may using compressed distortion using diferent angles, presing directions and force give us different sounds. Fabulous solo, congratulations.

11-Uncle skillet (8.52)
Nice guitar dialog, try to test some structure using range, dinamics, articulations and motives, a great solo like your could turn into amazing all time killer solo.

12-Xuestor (9.32)
Nice doble stop and the "I am here pluging the guitar noise. Solid solo, only remember that long 5 seonds compressed notes are no so good idea in blues (10.02, 10.13). Great solo anyway.

Thats all hope to make some new collab with all of you soon







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post Oct 1 2008, 06:51 AM
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Nice collab, awesome work gyus smile.gif

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post Oct 1 2008, 08:57 AM
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Thanks for the comments. Great collab and some fine takes. smile.gif

"I love those you can look at the lead sheed comping chord chard "

Where can I find this chart?

I added phaser in the signal chain and then I got this violin like effect.



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thanks for the comments. nice collab !
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post Oct 1 2008, 02:16 PM
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Great collab! Thanks so much for your kind comments smile.gif


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QUOTE (Gilmore @ Oct 1 2008, 04:57 AM) *
Thanks for the comments. Great collab and some fine takes. smile.gif

"I love those you can look at the lead sheed comping chord chard "

Where can I find this chart?

I added phaser in the signal chain and then I got this violin like effect.

I mean when you are playing a new song live and you only have the sheet music whit the chords and the melody, and you are not so sure abut what scales to use, you can use those chords structures to make your solos.


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Thanks for the comments Gerardo. Very nice collab!


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Well played all of you. Very nice collab you got here smile.gif

to Gilmore - You nailed the "Shine on" sound perfect imo!


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QUOTE (Gerardo Siere @ Sep 30 2008, 11:32 PM) *
11-Uncle skillet (8.52)
Nice guitar dialog, try to test some structure using range, dinamics, articulations and motives, a great solo like your could turn into amazing all time killer solo.


First of all Gerardo I would like to say thanks for the collab, your comments and all the time you spent putting this together. You and everyone who participated did a fantastic job. smile.gif

But I have to be honest with you man, I don't understand what you are trying to say with your comments and I hope you will take the time to clear this up for me.

Are you trying to say I " tried to test some structure using range, dynamics, articulations and motives, a great solo like yours could turn into amazing all time killer solo."

or

Are you trying to say I " should try to test some structure using range, dynamics, articulations and motives, and a great solo like your could turn into amazing all time killer solo."

I just want to know if there are things I need to work on with my playing.

Thanks in advance for clearing this up. Please don't take this the wrong way. I am not trying to correct your grammar. I realize a lot of people on this site have their native languages and respect that.

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post Oct 2 2008, 03:26 PM
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Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker, what I tried to say is that rather trowing some random licks into your soloing, try finding your best licks and arrange the complete solo in relation with that lick, we have two chorus so you can try several criterias on those 2 choruses, example, one choruse clean, another distortion, one chorus low, another high, one chorus slow, in the other I play faster, if the listener cant hear some kind of organized structure, will get bored or confused after 2 chorus, dont worry about playing similar licks in the solo. That's what I`m trying to say, you have to take more advantage of your own material, go and play some magnum opus solos, like stairway to heaven, or another brick in the wall I or II, etc. and see their range, the distribution of articulations or anithing that you find relevant and try to figure out what makes that solos tick.
QUOTE (UncleSkillet @ Oct 1 2008, 07:46 PM) *
First of all Gerardo I would like to say thanks for the collab, your comments and all the time you spent putting this together. You and everyone who participated did a fantastic job. smile.gif

But I have to be honest with you man, I don't understand what you are trying to say with your comments and I hope you will take the time to clear this up for me.

Are you trying to say I " tried to test some structure using range, dynamics, articulations and motives, a great solo like yours could turn into amazing all time killer solo."

or

Are you trying to say I " should try to test some structure using range, dynamics, articulations and motives, and a great solo like your could turn into amazing all time killer solo."

I just want to know if there are things I need to work on with my playing.

Thanks in advance for clearing this up. Please don't take this the wrong way. I am not trying to correct your grammar. I realize a lot of people on this site have their native languages and respect that.

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Thnx Gerardo! About, I agree that it sounds very tin! I plug my guitar in my Korg AX5G, see wiki for that, and then into the line in.


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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Oct 3 2008, 01:22 PM) *
Thnx Gerardo! About, I agree that it sounds very tin! I plug my guitar in my Korg AX5G, see wiki for that, and then into the line in.

Then may be you havent set your rig to line level (0db) or you may have a bad setup when setting the pedal output, notice that settings to go to an amp or just to PA have differents impedanse, try looking for some output options that says PA or recording, everything that isnt phone or amps, and make sure to look if the Korg have some line out conector and use that instead a guitar out conector.


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