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post Oct 8 2008, 02:20 PM
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Hey all you fellow Les Paul guitarists.. smile.gif

Just have a quick question.. On my flying V it was very simple to get down and bend the high E string on the 22nd fret.. Now it seems I have some problems doing the same on my Les Paul..

What I tend to do is take my whole hand below the fretboard and then bend the string.. however, since i am now bending with my fingers instead of my wrist i don have that much control..

I have been trying to bend the 22nd fret while still having my thumb above the fretboard, but i can barely reach the note from here, let alone bend it..

What do you guys do in order to bend this particular note? and also how would you do it if you were to bend the 22nd fret on the B string and then grabbing the 22nd fret on the E string with your pinky.

Thanks all..
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post Oct 10 2008, 12:21 AM
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hmm have you tried bending with your thumb in the supporting position behind the neck ?


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post Oct 10 2008, 11:18 AM
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hmm.. i dont think so..

I was just asking because i dont want to practice something wrong and then spend ages afterwards to correct my mistake..
I'll try with the thumb behind instead of above the neck.. smile.gif thank you
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post Oct 10 2008, 11:45 AM
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That spot is almost impossible to reach on a les paul. I keep my thumb on the neck heel and do the bend with my ring and middle finger using only wrist-motion.


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post Oct 10 2008, 11:56 AM
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Just keep working on it. I bend there and put Vibrato on it. I also don't wrap the thumb, my thumb is at the back of the neck. Now if I put vibrato on it, I shake the neck, but I don't mind that, you can move there a lot faster if you do it that way, then if you have to wrap your thumb to do it.

Just keep working at it. You will get the strength if you stick to it. Guys just all wrap their thumb and think that is the way you have to do it, because about everyone does it that way. But I knew it would be better in the long run to play with my thumb on the back of the neck, so I did not listen.

Occasionally I try wrapping my thumb, just to be open minded, but after a minute I think "this is awful, why would anyone want to do this"?

Just stick it out, you will be glad you did. Actually it becomes easier with a Les Paul to play like that, the heaviness of the neck joint is an advantage. It gets to where any other guitar is harder to play.

edit: Oh, I bend with my pinkie there. Just keep working with it. And be patient.

Consider tuning t Eb, like a lot of guys do. I use 10-46 strings, and mostly tune to Eb. Still heavier than guys who use lighter strings tuned standard, but it works better I think to tune to Eb, you get a more vibrant bend and vibrato.

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QUOTE (-Zion- @ Oct 8 2008, 02:20 PM) *
Hey all you fellow Les Paul guitarists.. smile.gif

Just have a quick question.. On my flying V it was very simple to get down and bend the high E string on the 22nd fret.. Now it seems I have some problems doing the same on my Les Paul..

What I tend to do is take my whole hand below the fretboard and then bend the string.. however, since i am now bending with my fingers instead of my wrist i don have that much control..

I have been trying to bend the 22nd fret while still having my thumb above the fretboard, but i can barely reach the note from here, let alone bend it..

What do you guys do in order to bend this particular note? and also how would you do it if you were to bend the 22nd fret on the B string and then grabbing the 22nd fret on the E string with your pinky.

Thanks all..

You don't have that problem on a Parker or Caparison guitar tongue.gif biggrin.gif


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post Oct 10 2008, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 10 2008, 12:57 PM) *
You don't have that problem on a Parker or Caparison guitar tongue.gif biggrin.gif


But you don't sound as good with a Parker or Caparison Guitar tongue.gif

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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Oct 10 2008, 11:59 AM) *
But you don't sound as good with a Parker or Caparison Guitar tongue.gif

Gotcha on this one wink.gif

Yeah. Well I have 27 frets. I can guitar scream you out of the building biggrin.gif

As for the initial problem. A lot of guitars have the same problem that reaching these frets and bending is really tricky due to the body being in the way. If you have stupidly big hands it is easy. Otherwise you just have to practice stretching and eventually you'll reach those unreachable frets.


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post Oct 11 2008, 04:26 PM
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I think you don't even have to use the thumb in order to get the circular motion. Just practice bending slowly in circular motion, supporting with other fingers, and in time you'll get the hang of it. The goal is to completely detach the hand from the neck while bending - only the finger that is bending must have contact with the neck at all.


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Oct 10 2008, 12:59 PM) *
But you don't sound as good with a Parker or Caparison Guitar tongue.gif

Gotcha on this one wink.gif


Bingo tongue.gif
about the topic, I agree with Ivan, try to practice this without relying on your thumb.


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post Oct 17 2008, 10:38 AM
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Wow.. didn't notice that all these replies had come, but i just want to thank you all for all your great advice.

I will continue practicing working on the bendings and hopefully i will either get it right, or find another technique to do it.. smile.gif

Thanks again.
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post Dec 20 2008, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Oct 10 2008, 11:59 AM) *
But you don't sound as good with a Parker or Caparison Guitar tongue.gif

Gotcha on this one wink.gif


Depends on the hands...
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