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Antonio23
post Oct 11 2008, 12:36 PM
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normally,if i wanted to make a solo for a song,i should improvise with the song on the background right?
but what about the opposite?
sometimes i make a solo out of nowhere,and i think it would be better with something on the back,but i can´t make anything up.
can someone help me?


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Pedja Simovic
post Oct 11 2008, 12:55 PM
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Hi Antonio ,

I will do my best to help you...

Here are couple of useful tips


1) Figure out what scale does your solo belong to ! (for example A minor or blues pentatonic or A natural or harmonic minor etc)

2) Once you have this figured out find the harmony/chords in that (or those) scales

3) Record the harmony/chords in different order


Now you have a very basic backing track. However this can sound like a lot of mess because some notes will fit better over one chord than the other if the chords come from same scale!!!
But for now this is a good start


Here is example of what I was talking about
Lets say your solo was in A natural minor or A minor pentatonic
A natural minor is relative minor scale to C major scale. This means they have exact same harmony in them as well.

Harmony/chords in A natural minor are : A minor, B diminshed (or B min7b5) , C major (or Cmaj7), D minor (or D min7), E minor (or E min7) , F major (or Fmaj7), G major (or G7 = dominant 7, blues harmony) and the last chord like first A minor (or A min7).

You can use all these chords if you soloed with A minor pentatonic and/or A natural minor.

Record in BASS ROOTS OF THE CHORDS. This sets up strong foundation. For C major you would record C for whole bar or maybe half notes of C or even quarter or eight notes.
When you master the roots concept move to 5ths. In this example C major you would use in bass C and G .
Bass players mostly play roots and fifths. Unless its a jazz bass line with walking this is very good way to have a decent bass line.
If you want to be pro about it, use 3rds as well and now you have a TRIAD happening in the bass. If you want to be REAL BASS PLAYER add some scale approach , chromatic approach notes and patterns and you got yourself a complete bass line.


Hope this helps.
Ask any questions if this is not clear.

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post Oct 11 2008, 04:00 PM
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The easiest way to make some backing chords is to check what scale are you using when doing that solo. WHen you know what scale, then you can use any chord that is built from notes from that scale. It's that simple.


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post Oct 11 2008, 04:07 PM
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Thanks guys you have been a great help smile.gif


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post Oct 11 2008, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (Antonio23 @ Oct 11 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Thanks guys you have been a great help smile.gif


You welcome man


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post Oct 11 2008, 05:58 PM
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Regarding the rhythmic guitar I think that could be a good way to analize the phrasing of the solo and try to imagine what would you want to listen behind that solo. Could be a simple keyboard track laying the chords down or could be a progressive kind of rhythm.
Also you can record the solo (with metronome) and then play over a rhythm guitar, as you've said you can improvise a solo over a backing track you can improvise a backing over a solo.

I hope it was useful.

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post Oct 12 2008, 02:37 PM
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Nice explanation Pedja!


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post Oct 12 2008, 04:33 PM
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with your help, i managed do make a decent rythm for the solo
i posted it on youtube,you can watch it here if you want smile.gif

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF807IY9xuE


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post Oct 12 2008, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (Antonio23 @ Oct 12 2008, 05:33 PM) *
with your help, i managed do make a decent rythm for the solo
i posted it on youtube,you can watch it here if you want smile.gif

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF807IY9xuE


I like the solo and the chords fit especially in the 2nd part !
I think you need to work on the rhythm and phrasing more and it will be killer solo .

Good job !

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Oct 12 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Nice explanation Pedja!


Thanks Kazine smile.gif


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post Oct 13 2008, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (Antonio23 @ Oct 12 2008, 05:33 PM) *
with your help, i managed do make a decent rythm for the solo
i posted it on youtube,you can watch it here if you want smile.gif

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF807IY9xuE

Know that is what I call amazing and brave progress.You haw steal a lot to learn but you are on the wright way.
Keep it up man.smile.gif

@ Pedja
Great tips man.smile.gif


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Pedja Simovic
post Oct 13 2008, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Nemanja Filipovic @ Oct 13 2008, 10:19 AM) *
Know that is what I call amazing and brave progress.You haw steal a lot to learn but you are on the wright way.
Keep it up man.smile.gif

@ Pedja
Great tips man.smile.gif


Thanks Nemanja. I agree with you he did great work for first timer. It will keep getting better and better !


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