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post Oct 15 2008, 12:07 AM
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Hey guys, I can't seem to figure it out, sounds like A major to me. but.. Not so sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yYAzJeNqHU

I lied, I can't figure it out worth a damn. sad.gif

Edit#2- I think its B major! smile.gif

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post Oct 15 2008, 01:00 AM
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I'm terrible at figuring out keys, but fooling around a bit with it, Seems A lydian scale works a bit with it.


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Oct 15 2008, 01:07 AM) *
Hey guys, I can't seem to figure it out, sounds like A major to me. but.. Not so sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yYAzJeNqHU

I lied, I can't figure it out worth a damn. sad.gif

Edit#2- I think its B major! smile.gif


I can't really hear what root is, but it DOES have the notes of Bmajor.

Actually, he's doing a C# chord all the time, but it's surely a substitution. This backing isn't in Dorian.
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post Oct 15 2008, 01:25 AM
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Chord progression is C#m,A,B and F#(7/add4).
So key is C# minor with small dive into C# Dorian over F# chord.

I heard just a first few bars,not the whole track tho. smile.gif


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2008, 02:25 AM) *
Chord progression is C#m,A,B and F#(7/add4).
So key is C# minor with small dive into C# Dorian over F# chord.

I heard just a first few bars,not the whole track tho. smile.gif


How do we know that the C# is root? In my mind it didn't sound too dorian (I admit not having lots of experience with this mode!)

Edit:
Awesomely detailed explanation there Muris, btw. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 02:31 AM) *
How do we know that the C# is root? In my mind it didn't sound too dorian (I admit not having lots of experience with this mode!)


It's not totally Dorian indeed,just a part over F# chord(with open B and high E strings).


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2008, 02:33 AM) *
It's not totally Dorian indeed,just a part over F# chord(with open B and high E strings).


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 02:34 AM) *
Sell me your ear.


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2008, 02:35 AM) *
Buy me a new car laugh.gif


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:50 AM
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Muris already analyzed the chord progression which was easy to hear really. Probably all the added notes on first minor chord confused you.

First three chords belong to C# natural minor = E major scale = C# minor pentatonic and G# minor pentatonic
Last one belongs to C# dorian more = B major scale = C# minor pentatonic and D# minor pentatonic even G#minor pentatonic

These are your best choices for this solo.

Good luck , look forward hearing your take on it .


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post Oct 15 2008, 01:52 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 15 2008, 02:50 AM) *
Muris already analyzed the chord progression which was easy to hear really. Probably all the added notes on first minor chord confused you.

First three chords belong to C# natural minor = E major scale = C# minor pentatonic and G# minor pentatonic
Last one belongs to C# dorian more = B major scale = C# minor pentatonic and D# minor pentatonic even G#minor pentatonic

These are your best choices for this solo.

Good luck , look forward hearing your take on it .


Actually I already knew the first chord, but I am not really good with hearing intervals. sad.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 01:59 AM
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Nevermind! I figured it out!


Thanks guys!


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post Oct 15 2008, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 02:52 AM) *
Actually I already knew the first chord, but I am not really good with hearing intervals. sad.gif


Are you practicing playing then singing intervals, or just singing them from just one note ?
This can be very useful
For example I will take C# natural minor

C# D# E F# G# A B C#

Do re me fa sol le te do

This is the Berklee way of singing natural minor scale. I learned it differently in Serbia and today I don't think about it anymore its just there in my head. However note names do help in singing.

So play C# on your guitar then try to sing 4th note in the scale; 6th etc If this random order is to tricky , then try singing notes in order. Each note that you sing , play on your guitar to check if you sang in tune. If you didnt sing it again but this time with the guitar , so that you can match the actual pitch.
Needless to say , guitar must be in tune biggrin.gif

Hope this helps, its a killer exercise btw

QUOTE (skennington @ Oct 15 2008, 02:00 AM) *
I'm terrible at figuring out keys, but fooling around a bit with it, Seems A lydian scale works a bit with it.


A lydian = C# aeolian
So you were right for 3 out of 4 chords = good job smile.gif


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post Oct 15 2008, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 15 2008, 03:02 AM) *
Are you practicing playing then singing intervals, or just singing them from just one note ?
This can be very useful
For example I will take C# natural minor

C# D# E F# G# A B C#

Do re me fa sol le te do

This is the Berklee way of singing natural minor scale. I learned it differently in Serbia and today I don't think about it anymore its just there in my head. However note names do help in singing.

So play C# on your guitar then try to sing 4th note in the scale; 6th etc If this random order is to tricky , then try singing notes in order. Each note that you sing , play on your guitar to check if you sang in tune. If you didnt sing it again but this time with the guitar , so that you can match the actual pitch.
Needless to say , guitar must be in tune biggrin.gif

Hope this helps, its a killer exercise btw



A lydian = C# aeolian
So you were right for 3 out of 4 chords = good job smile.gif


Wow, AWESOME advice!

Thanks alot, I really see how this will work.

And yes, I do sing, but I just "jam sing" in car etc to the radio.
It's not really any intervalic lesson where I learn anything, I just learn to stay in key.

Anyway, Iwill take this advice! biggrin.gif
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Here's my take..

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=10571

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QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 03:03 AM) *
Wow, AWESOME advice!

Thanks alot, I really see how this will work.

And yes, I do sing, but I just "jam sing" in car etc to the radio.
It's not really any intervalic lesson where I learn anything, I just learn to stay in key.

Anyway, Iwill take this advice! biggrin.gif


You welcome kjutte

I used to do this when I was getting into ear training 5 or more years ago I don't even remember (I feel old now biggrin.gif ) but this will definitely teach you a lot . You will set the vocal chords and will learn all the intervals for both basic and advanced scales/modes/pentatonics/arpeggios. Its really up to you how far you want to take it.

One thing I would like to mention is please don't do the mistake lots of musicians do - SING INTERVALS BOTH UP AND DOWN !!! Most musicians practice singing ascending only smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 15 2008, 03:07 AM) *
You welcome kjutte

I used to do this when I was getting into ear training 5 or more years ago I don't even remember (I feel old now biggrin.gif ) but this will definitely teach you a lot . You will set the vocal chords and will learn all the intervals for both basic and advanced scales/modes/pentatonics/arpeggios. Its really up to you how far you want to take it.

One thing I would like to mention is please don't do the mistake lots of musicians do - SING INTERVALS BOTH UP AND DOWN !!! Most musicians practice singing ascending only smile.gif


Awesome, I will do so.
I have noticed that it's often harder to hear the invervals descending, indeed.

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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 15 2008, 03:07 AM) *
One thing I would like to mention is please don't do the mistake lots of musicians do - SING INTERVALS BOTH UP AND DOWN !!! Most musicians practice singing ascending only smile.gif


+1, up and down is the must cool.gif


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Man, this is good stuff here guys, thanks! smile.gif


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QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 03:08 AM) *
Awesome, I will do so.
I have noticed that it's often harder to hear the invervals descending, indeed.

Thanks again!


It is indeed harder and its interesting maybe to discuss why that is the case ?

My opinion right this moment is because in music we have more melodies that go UP with intervalic leaps then down. Might be silly but that pops to my mind right now.
If we had more predominant descending melodies, our ears would receive them as "regular and normal" and you would accept them easily.
So in order to avoid being one sided musician work on descending singing as much as possible.


Here is another awesome exercise for you

Lets say you were working on specific interval and wanted to gain RELATIVE PITCH in long run rather then sing just one scale and limit your self to that.

So you take for example interval of Minor 2nd to practice. How do you do it ?

Play a note on your guitar and then try to sing UP a minor 2nd from it.
The song I use for Minor 2nd up is GREEN HORNET from KILL BILL 1 soundtrack - the very beginning of the piece. You can also use Miserlou (from pulp fiction), Jaws movie and trazilion other melodies. For me Green Hornet works smile.gif

Play a note on your guitar and sing DOWN a minor 2nd from it.
The song I use for Minor 2nd down is FUR ELISSE (I am not sure if the spelling is right but its very famous classical piece).
This piece is perfect because it goes down up down up by the same interval, it fine tunes your ear like nothing else.


You got 12 intervals until octave , when you do that let me know I will give you some hints for intervals after octave

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