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 Oct 15 2008, 07:27 PM Post #21 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia Member No.: 3.341 Thanks for sharing that diagram, I had a bunch of fretsheets written when I was learning the scales, I used to put them on the wall so I can always watch them, and it was pretty useful. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons- (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel- Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)
 Oct 15 2008, 07:36 PM Post #22 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway Member No.: 2.337 QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Oct 15 2008, 08:27 PM) Thanks for sharing that diagram, I had a bunch of fretsheets written when I was learning the scales, I used to put them on the wall so I can always watch them, and it was pretty useful.Me too man!
 Oct 15 2008, 10:12 PM Post #23 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 30-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 901 QUOTE (jdriver @ Oct 14 2008, 08:04 PM) I took a different approach as a total beginner, in that I knew from the start there must be some kind of organisation, players didn't just pull those positions out of thin air. So I started as a virgin with Fretboard Logic and the CAGED system, then learned the pentatonics, then added the diatonics. Now I can jam, but as Pedja said, it sounds very predictable. But now I can really appreciate a diagram as posted here. I still don't really understand how to use modes, but I'm starting with a real teacher soon.Jdriver:This diagram looks alot like the Lead Pattern 1 and Lead Pattern 2 as taught in Fretboard Logic 1 doesn't it. Fretboard logic uses a skeleton of this(Based off partial pentatonics), but it is an easy roadmap that takes you all the way up and down the fretboard spanning 10 frets across all strings, with a root note on the 5th or 6th string I mentioned that Fretboard Logic diagram in the past here, and nobody was aware of it, but I can see it now in there and the additional notes if I add back the 4th and 7th notes to the major pentatonic.I would post the pattern I am referring to, but don't know how to create my own scale diagrams - Do you guys use a specific software for this.Thanks, -------------------- "Three Chords & The Truth . . ."
 Oct 15 2008, 10:41 PM Post #24 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 30-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 901 QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 15 2008, 10:19 AM) It shows where to put your fingers. I don't see how that can be confusing-> no offense of course!Feel free to ask.Correct! However, to really modulate you need to change your rootchord aswell.Anyway, I find this pattern very nice for illustrating how it all hangs together.Many get the idea that they have to learn 100 scales to be good, but that's not true at all.So looking at this more I have a few questions - These might be more based upon proper usage of modes and sorry if I am asking something that has been answered elsewhere, but I am trying to relate this to the Diagram and just recently started looking into modes, so this is a more practical understanding. Up till now I am pretty much playing a particular scale(such as Home position Major pentatonic) over the whole chord progression, accenting various notes. I am just starting to learn to move to different positions of the scale based upon the chord progression. The beauty of Pentatonic and Diatonic scales is that you can move the same shape to a different root note over a chord progression without much thought.So if I am understanding modes correctly, you move to the related mode during the chord progression, which basically is a different scale shape for each chord your playing over.Is that correct? or am I way offSo looking at the above diagram, lets say the chord progression is: C F G (I IV V), would I be playing Ionian for C chord, Lydian for F chord , and Mixolydian for G Chord., moving from the root of 8fret low E to 13th fret, to 15th fret accordingly.Thanks for any clarification you can provide(Modes confuse and scare me). This post has been edited by Guitar1969: Oct 16 2008, 12:09 AM -------------------- "Three Chords & The Truth . . ."
 Oct 16 2008, 12:51 AM Post #25 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Oct 15 2008, 11:41 PM) So looking at this more I have a few questions - These might be more based upon proper usage of modes and sorry if I am asking something that has been answered elsewhere, but I am trying to relate this to the Diagram and just recently started looking into modes, so this is a more practical understanding. Up till now I am pretty much playing a particular scale(such as Home position Major pentatonic) over the whole chord progression, accenting various notes. I am just starting to learn to move to different positions of the scale based upon the chord progression. The beauty of Pentatonic and Diatonic scales is that you can move the same shape to a different root note over a chord progression without much thought.So if I am understanding modes correctly, you move to the related mode during the chord progression, which basically is a different scale shape for each chord your playing over.Is that correct? or am I way offSo looking at the above diagram, lets say the chord progression is: C F G (I IV V), would I be playing Ionian for C chord, Lydian for F chord , and Mixolydian for G Chord., moving from the root of 8fret low E to 13th fret, to 15th fret accordingly.Thanks for any clarification you can provide(Modes confuse and scare me).You got it spot on! But read back my response on those jumps in the previous posts. Good luck with it. If you are already playing by ear this will be piece of cake for you.Thanks -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Oct 16 2008, 03:52 AM Post #26 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 2.412 Joined: 23-February 07 From: New york Member No.: 1.243 I think this should be moved to the Theory Board, and it deserves a Sticky aswell.Great Topic -------------------- Join Me On the Lyrics Board ! "Find something worth dying for......And live for it"-The Uncreator
 Oct 16 2008, 05:57 AM Post #27 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 30-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 901 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 15 2008, 03:51 PM) You got it spot on! But read back my response on those jumps in the previous posts. Good luck with it. If you are already playing by ear this will be piece of cake for you.ThanksYeah I'm not ready for that yet , but it will help down the road as I learn more about modes. Not fully understanding what the benefit of modes are yet since they are the same notes , just in a different starting order, but I need to spend more time with it.Thanks,mh -------------------- "Three Chords & The Truth . . ."