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post Oct 16 2008, 01:41 AM
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i've seen a recent thread talk about "Ibanez or Fender". I'm interested in seeking a new girlfriend (buying a new axe biggrin.gif)so I'm asking you guys about these 2 guitars. Have any one of you play either one of these or heard of anything about them?
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post Oct 16 2008, 01:52 AM
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Hi SensE,

Don't know much about the Ibanez but I'm sure it's a great axe. The Demmel model is relatively new but from what I understand, it has good reviews. One question though, do you stand while playing most of the time? I see you have a "V" as your avatar so you may be used to this body style. If not, for me, and this is just my opinion, the V is not a comfortable guitar to play while seated. I have an RR and hardly touch it.

When I do play it, I have to play in a classical position which is uncomfortable to me. Also, the horns are easily damaged so you have to be a bit more careful with it. Great guitars, but take all things into consideration before making the purchase. smile.gif


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post Oct 16 2008, 02:25 AM
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QUOTE (skennington @ Oct 15 2008, 07:52 PM) *
Hi SensE,

Don't know much about the Ibanez but I'm sure it's a great axe. The Demmel model is relatively new but from what I understand, it has good reviews. One question though, do you stand while playing most of the time? I see you have a "V" as your avatar so you may be used to this body style. If not, for me, and this is just my opinion, the V is not a comfortable guitar to play while seated. I have an RR and hardly touch it.

When I do play it, I have to play in a classical position which is uncomfortable to me. Also, the horns are easily damaged so you have to be a bit more careful with it. Great guitars, but take all things into consideration before making the purchase. smile.gif


Thanks for your kindly advise, Skennington. Yes. I'm using the Gibson Flying V as my main axe and I got used to this axe while seated. biggrin.gif I figured out long ago that using V shape body, I have to hold my guitar in such a way that my leg hang into the inner or deeper portion of the V. There is a video in youtube that Alexi Laiho playing his axe while seated. (exactly the same way I'm used to)

I agree with you. I've played the Jackson RR offset V which is kind of uncomfortable to me because the weight and balance of that axe is really different. I think I will also need some time to overcome that kind of thing. Oh yea. I got some nicks here and there over the sharp edge of my V and I think this is a really hard thing be taken care of.



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post Oct 16 2008, 02:51 AM
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I played the Ibanez S5470 at the Sam Ash music store here and I instantly fell in love with the it! It was the best Ibanez guitar ive ever played.
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post Oct 16 2008, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (Jmguitar64 @ Oct 15 2008, 08:51 PM) *
I played the Ibanez S5470 at the Sam Ash music store here and I instantly fell in love with the it! It was the best Ibanez guitar ive ever played.


I went to the Ibanez forum. There was somebody said that this guitar has terrible sustain issue especially over the 14frets and above. Is that true?
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post Oct 16 2008, 03:54 AM
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Well I have never played either one but I will say this.

If I was looking to buy a guitar just based on looks I would try the Ibanez first.

Just because the neck reach to the lower frets (20 -24) looks more comfortable and seems to be easier to play.

As far as tone and pickups. Can't help here.

My thought would be with the "V" Jackson if you can only play to the 19th fret comforable what good is it even if it sounds better.


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post Oct 16 2008, 03:56 AM
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I have played the S5470 several times... One was brand new and it felt pretty "stiff" (not a problem for a new guitar)... Then I played a used one which felt amazing! Don't ask me how they sound though, I didn't play it through an amp... I have an idea of what it would should sound like though dry.gif !
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post Oct 16 2008, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE (Déjà vu @ Oct 15 2008, 10:56 PM) *
I have played the S5470 several times... One was brand new and it felt pretty "stiff" (not a problem for a new guitar)... Then I played a used one which felt amazing! Don't ask me how they sound though, I didn't play it through an amp... I have an idea of what it would should sound like though dry.gif !



I agree.

You can tell a lot about a guitars sound and tone capabilities without playing through an amp.

@Skennington makes a really good point as well. The "V" isn't very comfortable to play unless you are standing.

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post Oct 16 2008, 04:25 AM
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QUOTE (Déjà vu @ Oct 15 2008, 09:56 PM) *
I have played the S5470 several times... One was brand new and it felt pretty "stiff" (not a problem for a new guitar)... Then I played a used one which felt amazing! Don't ask me how they sound though, I didn't play it through an amp... I have an idea of what it would should sound like though dry.gif !


If you play it through an amp. You could probably answer my concern about the sustain issue. = = "

Soundwise and tonewise would be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pOVin4c44...feature=related



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post Oct 17 2008, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE (SensE @ Oct 15 2008, 07:29 PM) *
I went to the Ibanez forum. There was somebody said that this guitar has terrible sustain issue especially over the 14frets and above. Is that true?


I didnt really test the sustain but I have heard that a thin neck and a thin body might effect it. Im not sure if that is true or not though.. sorry I couldnt answer your question man. I would sugget that you try them both out, if you can though.
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post Oct 17 2008, 01:16 AM
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Trust me, there is no comparison, the demmelition V DESTROYS that ibanez. And yes, the ibanez has very little sustain, its true.


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post Oct 17 2008, 02:29 AM
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Both are tremolo guitars so they have not the best sustain but still enough for soloing and stuff. If you are a Sustain-freak you should get a diffrent bridge type...

So let's go for the comparison: Ibanez vs. Jackson

-Body: Mahagony vs. alder - so it's up to you preferance in wood tone, your Gibson has a mahagony body and Stratocasters have alder bodys...

-Neck: Rosewood vs. Ebony - Jackson wins because it has the better fretboard wood, both Ibanez and Jackson necks are equally thin...also the Jackson is a neck through so it has way more sustain than the bolt on Ibanez

-Pickups: Crap Stock pups vs. Active EMGs - Jackson wins with it's 81/60 emg active metal pups; the Ibanez stock pickups suck worse than hell so you would have to replace them...

-Tremolo: zr2 vs. Original Floyd Rose - Dunno, if the Ibanez trem is one of the high quality Edge trems then it's a draw; if the zr2 isn't a high end Edge trem then the original floyd rose wins by far...

-Extras: The Ibanez comes with a great hardcase and a leather strap while the Jackson gets no extras besides being delivered in drop b tuning (main machine head tuning)

Overall I would say the Jackson easily wins if you can live with the shape. Jackson and Ibanez are equal in built quality and their maple necks are equaly thin and fast. Even if the Jackson comes without a case, you still get the better bridge, the better pickups and the better sustain from the neck-through built. I have played both (Ibanez just short time, the Jackson over an hour) and I have to say that you have to spend another 200$ in Pickups to make the Ibanez sound as good as the Jackson!


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post Oct 17 2008, 03:31 AM
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QUOTE (Jmguitar64 @ Oct 16 2008, 06:50 PM) *
I didnt really test the sustain but I have heard that a thin neck and a thin body might effect it. Im not sure if that is true or not though.. sorry I couldnt answer your question man. I would sugget that you try them both out, if you can though.


I wish I could try that out. I live in Wichita and the biggest guitar store I have over here would be the guitar center. I went there last week and they do not have it in stock so I have no luck to try that out. The Jackson guitar is relatively new compared to Ibanez and they don't have it too.


Thank you ZakkWylde. I agree that Jackson has better fretboard wood and EMG pickup compared to Ibanez which is really adorable.

Tonewise for this S Prestige would be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pOVin4c44...feature=related

What do you guys say about this demonstration? I expect the tremolo is very good since this is an high end Ibanez. I've seen Herman Li using similar S Prestige series which has similar kind of tremolo throughout his career until he got signature model from Ibanez recently.

We have many experienced player in GMC. I would really want to listen to you guys and what do you guys think about the video demonstration. Thank you

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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Oct 16 2008, 06:29 PM) *
Both are tremolo guitars so they have not the best sustain but still enough for soloing and stuff. If you are a Sustain-freak you should get a diffrent bridge type...

So let's go for the comparison: Ibanez vs. Jackson

-Body: Mahagony vs. alder - so it's up to you preferance in wood tone, your Gibson has a mahagony body and Stratocasters have alder bodys...

-Neck: Rosewood vs. Ebony - Jackson wins because it has the better fretboard wood, both Ibanez and Jackson necks are equally thin...also the Jackson is a neck through so it has way more sustain than the bolt on Ibanez

-Pickups: Crap Stock pups vs. Active EMGs - Jackson wins with it's 81/60 emg active metal pups; the Ibanez stock pickups suck worse than hell so you would have to replace them...

-Tremolo: zr2 vs. Original Floyd Rose - Dunno, if the Ibanez trem is one of the high quality Edge trems then it's a draw; if the zr2 isn't a high end Edge trem then the original floyd rose wins by far...

-Extras: The Ibanez comes with a great hardcase and a leather strap while the Jackson gets no extras besides being delivered in drop b tuning (main machine head tuning)

Overall I would say the Jackson easily wins if you can live with the shape. Jackson and Ibanez are equal in built quality and their maple necks are equaly thin and fast. Even if the Jackson comes without a case, you still get the better bridge, the better pickups and the better sustain from the neck-through built. I have played both (Ibanez just short time, the Jackson over an hour) and I have to say that you have to spend another 200$ in Pickups to make the Ibanez sound as good as the Jackson!


1- its up to the person, but i dont believe that body has as great effect on tone as most people think.

2- rosewood vs ebony is subjective, ebony is a harder wood, but some might prefer rosewood over ebony or maple. jackson has the neck through, but ibanez has a better fret access, and if need be, you can replace the neck, plus neck work is easier and cheaper on a bolt on. and the way the ibanez neck is shaped makes it feel a bit thinner than a jackson neck.

3-who are you to say the stock pick ups are crap? first of all, i think emgs are crap, but thats MY OPINION. you cant tell me whats good to my ears, only i can decide that...the stock pick ups are actually pretty decent in quality...they are made by dimarzio, and they arent as bad as you think...i think they would def be more versatile than emgs...i think emgs tone is too common and too sterile and one sided.

4-OFR quality has gone way way down in the last couple of years...the ZR trem is amazing. it stays in tune, handles a lot of abuse, and its wayyyy easier to set up. ive always preferred ibanez trems over floyd rose...but again thats my oppinion.

5- again, you think the jackson easily wins but thats just you, and a lot of things you have said arent really true in terms of fact rather than opinion.

so just a word of advice to people reading this, try it yourself and remember that sound, wood, and playability are all opinions so whats good to him might not be good to you.

personally i cant stand jackson, but ive been an ibanez player for 8 years so i might be a little biased at the same time smile.gif

OH and for the sustain issue that you hear about from the ibanez forums, its really not bad at all if there even is an issue...it was only an issue with the lower level S's because the neck and trem lay out did not match. The prestige has no real problem to the sustain, but if you need more sustain, there are many things you can do to help it like pick ups and amps

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post Oct 24 2008, 09:23 PM
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I'm interested in seeking a new girlfriend (buying a new axe )


Get both. Have a threesome. smile.gif



But seriously. You see those S series Ibanez's EVERWHERE. They gotta be doing something right. They look like they are extremely easy to play.

I wouldnt get real caught up in mahogany vs other woods. I have a Jackson Soloist and its alder too. There is no shortage of sustain.

Pickups are all over the board. if you like EMGS then the Demmel coming with them is a big plus. If you are going to put something else in either one then ripping out cheaper stock pickups will cost you less money. Follow me here?

They are completely different axes. Both are top quality instruments though.

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QUOTE (SensE @ Oct 16 2008, 02:41 AM) *
i've seen a recent thread talk about "Ibanez or Fender". I'm interested in seeking a new girlfriend (buying a new axe biggrin.gif)so I'm asking you guys about these 2 guitars. Have any one of you play either one of these or heard of anything about them?
Thank you guys. biggrin.gif

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Ibanez S5470
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product...itar?sku=518112

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Jackson Phil Demmel King V
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product...itar?sku=518753

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Ibanez, by far. The jackson is far from versatile.
Well, unless you're playing nothing but heavy riffs, cus of the EMG's.
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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 24 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Get both. Have a threesome. smile.gif


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HAHAHA.. I would like to do that, its just that I dont have that much money to own 2 girlfriends at the same time.
Maybe I can call you up and have a party over my place if I got that. laugh.gif

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I'm not a fan of V shaped guitars, so I would go for the Ibanez for that reason alone tongue.gif


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Oct 17 2008, 03:29 AM) *
Both are tremolo guitars so they have not the best sustain but still enough for soloing and stuff. If you are a Sustain-freak you should get a diffrent bridge type...

So let's go for the comparison: Ibanez vs. Jackson

-Body: Mahagony vs. alder - so it's up to you preferance in wood tone, your Gibson has a mahagony body and Stratocasters have alder bodys...

-Neck: Rosewood vs. Ebony - Jackson wins because it has the better fretboard wood, both Ibanez and Jackson necks are equally thin...also the Jackson is a neck through so it has way more sustain than the bolt on Ibanez

-Pickups: Crap Stock pups vs. Active EMGs - Jackson wins with it's 81/60 emg active metal pups; the Ibanez stock pickups suck worse than hell so you would have to replace them...

-Tremolo: zr2 vs. Original Floyd Rose - Dunno, if the Ibanez trem is one of the high quality Edge trems then it's a draw; if the zr2 isn't a high end Edge trem then the original floyd rose wins by far...

-Extras: The Ibanez comes with a great hardcase and a leather strap while the Jackson gets no extras besides being delivered in drop b tuning (main machine head tuning)

Overall I would say the Jackson easily wins if you can live with the shape. Jackson and Ibanez are equal in built quality and their maple necks are equaly thin and fast. Even if the Jackson comes without a case, you still get the better bridge, the better pickups and the better sustain from the neck-through built. I have played both (Ibanez just short time, the Jackson over an hour) and I have to say that you have to spend another 200$ in Pickups to make the Ibanez sound as good as the Jackson!



I agree with you at most points, but I just have to tell you that the ZR tremolo is not an Edge Pro tremolo, but still it's half the reason to buy an Ibanez from the S Series. I have one and I'd say it owns the Edge Pro.

QUOTE (SensE @ Oct 24 2008, 11:06 PM) *
3P laugh.gif
HAHAHA.. I would like to do that, its just that I dont have that much money to own 2 girlfriends at the same time.
Maybe I can call you up and have a party over my place if I got that. laugh.gif


If I didn't know that this was a guitar forum, I would probably have misunderstood that sentence pretty horribly blink.gif

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ZR tremolos are close to Schaller nowdays, which is the highest quality floyd available.
And zakk, I'd like to hear that jackson's clear + dirt sound smile.gif

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