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post Oct 18 2008, 05:15 PM
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Yeahh all the pro top dog players love playing through expensive rigs using cheap as chips guitars!There may be some you tube kings out there who get away with it as they cant buy better guitars,but mark my words if they ever make it and start earning some cash they will be getting better guitars

I think most guitars from 600 quid up brand new sound ok,below that mark it can be hit or miss!

I read through that Jem thread and LOL,I think I might get rid of my axes and buy a mex strat or a low end Ibanez as there clearly up to the standards of the high end models from all makers laugh.gif


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post Oct 18 2008, 06:49 PM
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Why do people drive a BMW or a Mercedes? All cars do the same job transportation, is how do you want to do it. I know a lot of people that are very bad drivers but they have very expensive cars or even motorcycles(thats even worst) so at the end all is a matter of taste and of course a matter of money, if you have the money why not?


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post Oct 20 2008, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ Oct 18 2008, 10:49 AM) *
Why do people drive a BMW or a Mercedes? All cars do the same job transportation, is how do you want to do it. I know a lot of people that are very bad drivers but they have very expensive cars or even motorcycles(thats even worst) so at the end all is a matter of taste and of course a matter of money, if you have the money why not?


Agree - Same analogy in Fast Food vs fine french cuisine.

I have 2 nicer guitars(Amer Fender Strat and Gibson Les Paul Standard) and I still suck, and am sometimes embarrased to have a nicer guitar than some of the musicians I know that can make their cheaper guitar sing, but I do love to look at my Les Paul when its hanging in my family room.

Besides, when I sound bad, at least I have to fess up and can't blame it on the guitar. but I will pass my guitars down to my kids and they most likely will be worth something 30+ years from now(which isn't true on cheap guitar)


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post Oct 20 2008, 07:21 AM
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Of course every person should be allowed to buy any guitar without being looked down at... If someone who started playing yesterday, goes out and buy a $4000 guitar today, I will certainly not tell him what an idiot he is... I would probably envy the guy who has that kind of money to spend.
And I am not someone who goes for the cheapest guitar possible, after all I have had a custom built for me, which cost more than the average Squier. It turned out nice though, and I have never regrette I put that money down for it.
As I said before, I have never been into Fender and Gibson at all, I like the golden middle road, where the best of those 2 worlds combine. Except my custom which is excellent, and my Ibanez which is also very nice in it's own way, my favorite guitars have been middle-priced:
A Schecter C1+ which was a great value for money (Schecters are nice!!), and a Peavey Vandenberg which was the ultimate shredding machine, that when setup properly, had a playability I have never before or after have experienced... Why the hell did I sell that one!?


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post Oct 21 2008, 04:48 AM
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I am most certainly very guilty of buying expensive guitars at a point where my skill did not "warrant" it.

But as has been said, if you have the money and you like the guitars then why the hell not!

My personality is the kind that once it gets set on a particular direction (in this case, guitar) then nothing but the absolute best i can get my hands on will satisfy me.

I spent a LOT of money on a few pretty expensive guitars in a short space of time, some people would call me foolish but i also spent some money on cheaper guitars and they just totally didn't do it for me (which adversely affected my desire to play....)

Nearly a year, 2 PRS's and a Strat later i have not regretted a single thing. My playing is improving leaps and bounds (thanks to GMC) and it's great to know that as i grow my guitars will be there ready to sing for me!

A guitar for me is an investment, i want it to grow with me. I don't want to reach a point where suddenly the guitar i'm using just doesn't cut it, i buy guitars for life!

But everyone's situation is different. The bottom line when buying a guitar is you have to try try try and get what you like best within the price range you're willing to pay.
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post Oct 26 2008, 03:58 PM
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At first reading this thread I grew disheartened that my hopes of how good a Suhr would sound would be diminished. But the naysayers have failed to mention anything about what their playing through for their comparisons of $150 strats. I'm sure there is only a slightly noticeable difference when playing thorough a Spider amp or your pod xt, or your little combo amp with your Metal Zone pedal.

And not only Am i sure a Suhr will sound better, I know for a fact if you added a lot of the options that come on a suhr like a pleked fretboard, stainless steel frets, sperzel locking tuners, buzz feiten mods, The prices would start to look similar.

I bet there's no sharp fret edges, or glue peeking out from under the frets, or noisey switches either. You can actually bend a string without string motion in the saddles. WHen you tune up, I bet it will actually stay in tune.


How about the other stuff that you just can't see, like a truss rod that actually bends the whole neck straight, Or shielding to prevent odd feedback noises.



No, I'm still wanting a guitar that costs more than $150
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post Oct 26 2008, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (grathan @ Oct 26 2008, 03:58 PM) *
At first reading this thread I grew disheartened that my hopes of how good a Suhr would sound would be diminished. But the naysayers have failed to mention anything about what their playing through for their comparisons of $150 strats. I'm sure there is only a slightly noticeable difference when playing thorough a Spider amp or your pod xt, or your little combo amp with your Metal Zone pedal.

And not only Am i sure a Suhr will sound better, I know for a fact if you added a lot of the options that come on a suhr like a pleked fretboard, stainless steel frets, sperzel locking tuners, buzz feiten mods, The prices would start to look similar.

I bet there's no sharp fret edges, or glue peeking out from under the frets, or noisey switches either. You can actually bend a string without string motion in the saddles. WHen you tune up, I bet it will actually stay in tune.


How about the other stuff that you just can't see, like a truss rod that actually bends the whole neck straight, Or shielding to prevent odd feedback noises.



No, I'm still wanting a guitar that costs more than $150


Yes, but the point he makes in that thread is that a cheap guitar CAN be nice, and that expensive guitars CAN be poorly setup and have flaws... He doesn't say all Squires are of same quality. I'm sure if you compare 100 Suhr and 100 Squier, maybe you'll find 1 or a few that really doesn't justify that price difference.
Hardware is a major thing, and I think if you buy a cheap guitar that resonates nice and the build seem to be nicely done on that specific piece, a change of hardware can give you a top quality guitar for much less money...


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post Oct 26 2008, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (besip @ Oct 17 2008, 09:10 PM) *
it's never easy sad.gif rolleyes.gif

actualy i'm playning to buy new guitar long time but when the time coming close i'm afraid to don't made mistake sad.gif
actualy sure some cheap guitar can be good some no...i'm wana spend around 1000$+ or - some budget...i'm never visit guitar shop until last weak...till this time i'v been sure to buy Ibanez 2550Z..But after I'm try Sv 5470 ..i'm don't wana listen about 2550z anymore tongue.gif ...problem is i'm guy who is 1 weak interesed a be sure to play in future more Heavy and Thrash Metal...and other weak i'm guy who will be like to play rest his life nice melodic metal+some shreding........and my mind start working every time...when i'm more in metal i'm teling my self...oo you will be don't need ibanez tremolo...and the ibanez pickups will probaly not be screeam like Esp or jackson sad.gif tongue.gif and when in other weak i'm back to my Nocturnal vision lesson style music laugh.gif i'm teling my self hmm Esp and Jackson are nice but i'm need something more versatible laugh.gif also i'm read every day diferent review for both side


i'm lost and scary to go buy first axe{if i'm don't count allready my ltd viper 50} sad.gif tongue.gif


the only difference between the S5470 and SV5470 is that the S has the locking trem, and the SV does not. The pick ups that come stock are GOOD pick ups for a very very broad range of genres...its meant for versatility rather for just metal like most jacksons and esps are equipped for. in my experience, you NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy a guitar based on its "sound" because sound is the easiest thing to change on a guitar. you can always change amps, pedals, pick ups, but its a lot harder to change playability and quality. so show for playability, not for sound.

personally, the best guitars ive had were all $400 guitars...im a used guitar junkie, i love buying old ibanez guitars and brands that no one has heard about just because i like to stay unique and different. My Rg270 from 1996 is my main guitar, i got it for $100 off craigslist....its got battle scars, but it also has a neck with filed frets, new pick ups, and new electronics....so this $100 plays just as well as any $600 guitar and up...


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post Oct 26 2008, 06:41 PM
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I'm well aware that a high-end guitar will not in the 100% of the cases provide what it should. And you actually fork out a lot of cash just for a sig that reads PRS or LesPaul on the headstock. But other than that, we are talking about serious instruments that you can hang around with all day long, you sometimes rest your hand on their wood more than on the shoulders of your girlfriend/wife, you finally get familiar with every inch of it inside out. It may seem so, but this is not an exaggeration rolleyes.gif .

Personally I consider a guitar an investment (along with a long subscription to GMC...), so I would find the bastard and beat him up if he chooses to steal my PRS. cool.gif tongue.gif

A V. Wooten-gig starts in a couple of hours, so i'm going now... cool.gif


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post Oct 27 2008, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Oct 26 2008, 12:29 PM) *
NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy a guitar based on its "sound" because sound is the easiest thing to change on a guitar. you can always change amps, pedals, pick ups, but its a lot harder to change playability and quality. so show for playability, not for sound.


i'm heer the Sv have slightly advantate with Hi-bends becouse don't have looking system on neck{there is some looking system on tuning system} and somebody also tell me the S verzion has slightly better pickups
I'm agree with you coments about chosing guitar Sound vs Playability....Actualy for me is sligthly more important how the Guitar fit to my body...i'm cannot chosing guitar by sound becouse i'm still so beginer on that biggrin.gif and i'm belive also the sound can be change..Like i'm wrote before i'm was realy impress when i'm did try the Sv 5470...against my dream 2550Z which i'm also try first time on my life{like 5 minutes before i'm try the SV} The SV feel absolutly great on my hands smile.gif against the 2550z

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post Oct 28 2008, 05:13 PM
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Quite interesting thread indeed, but there are a few aspects of it that he ignored.
There's generally speaking a big craftsmanship and quality difference between the cheaper Squire's and the real Fenders.

Speaking for myself personally, I remember my first ever electric guitar was a really crappy Strat. copy, about a year later I bought my first Ibanez RG and it felt like a huge upswing It was a lot more fun and motivating picking up the guitar and actually playing it!


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post Oct 28 2008, 05:18 PM
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Interesting biggrin.gif Its true tho. I got my Ibanez and i love it. I just feel its my type of guitar, id rather have this ibanez than a brand new Gibson Les Paul :]


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