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post Oct 22 2008, 06:28 PM
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actually the Canadian election was a waste of time and effort and my tax money. We voted and got the exact same result as last time. What sucks about Canada is #1 we have no outstanding leaders #2 the way we vote is by area not by political leader. We vote for who we want representing small areas therefore alot of people vote for the parties with bad policies based strictly on the charisma of the party representative in that area. Its a poorly designed system. I like the American system better, where you vote for the leader who has the best policies and whom you think will represent the country the best.. AND america actually has some descent leaders (Obama) Canada as a scary looking guy (jack layton) A robot (Stephen Harper (our PM)) and a slow old liberal who can't speak english (stephan dion) .... what a waste of paper.sad.gif


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post Oct 22 2008, 06:46 PM
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You like a system where people vote for guys sponsored by huge monopolists, and than do what these corporations says? 'cos no other candidate have any chances of winning due to lack of enormous cash reserves for campaign? Democracy is a comedy... Still for now, this is still the best system for us...


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post Oct 22 2008, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Oct 22 2008, 07:46 PM) *
You like a system where people vote for guys sponsored by huge monopolists, and than do what these corporations says? 'cos no other candidate have any chances of winning due to lack of enormous cash reserves for campaign? Democracy is a comedy... Still for now, this is still the best system for us...


I don't really want to get involved with political discussions, but.. This post is one of the best I've seen on gmc and I completely agree. Also with the part about democacy being the best system right now, so no need to get upset.

EDIT: Just to claritfy, what I meant with that is pretty much that what we have is now is not the end of the road, and people should not see it as that, but always find ways to improve the system. I do not support anything else than the democracy we have now, but I see a lot of flaws in it and hope that some day it can get even better.

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post Oct 22 2008, 07:27 PM
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post Oct 22 2008, 07:50 PM
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im a communist through and through, but this is not the time for communism, the masses are not ready, so... the best we have is democracy, and i want my democracy as socialist as possible..


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post Oct 22 2008, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (Praetorian @ Oct 21 2008, 04:12 PM) *
Only problem is...Obama should be the bad guy


If i remember right it was McCain who was dropping bombs for fun in Vietnam and sang Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran when asked what he would do with them!

Why is Obama a bad guy?dont like his tax plans?Is he a terrorist?dont like his middle name?his colour?






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post Oct 22 2008, 09:00 PM
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post Oct 22 2008, 09:01 PM
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lol, what happened to people commenting on the video?

anyways, the video was entertaining, i wanna see the end though. maybe they'll make one after the election is over tongue.gif


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post Oct 22 2008, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (AnyJimmy @ Oct 22 2008, 08:10 AM) *
weeeeell, Barack Obama might be a rookie, but then, what is Sarah Palin? She's only been governor of Alaska for 2 years, and before that, she was the mayor in the smallest town in the world. And before she was chosen as VP candidate, she'd never been outside of the US. John McCain will probably be dead within his possible 8 years in office, and that'll leave the US with a president whom nobody really knows anything about except that she likes shooting stuff.
Thats really, really scary, if you ask me. Like Matt Damon said: "I would really like to know if this lady thinks dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago."

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post Oct 22 2008, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (Noangels @ Oct 22 2008, 08:54 PM) *
If i remember right it was McCain who was dropping bombs for fun in Vietnam and sang Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran when asked what he would do with them!

Why is Obama a bad guy?dont like his tax plans?Is he a terrorist?dont like his middle name?his colour?


Obama is not a bad guy any more than Michael Moore is a bad guy. He's just clueless. Michael Moore is just an idiot.

Obama is an ultra liberal senator who wants to take money from those that work hard for it, and give it to those that don't deserve it.

He is completely unprepared to deal in foreign affairs because he has no experience. He is willing to speak with rogue dictators without preconditions, which is naive and reckless.
He wants to tax large corporations which will only mean that the cost is deferred to the middle class. He has questionable associations with radicals like William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Father Fagler, and Louis Farrakhan...all who hate their own country.

John McCain is an experienced senator, ex-fighter pilot who understands how to deal with our enemies. He is an honorable man who wants to work, and has worked, both sides of the aisle to keep our country strong, rather than wallow in the ridiculous partisanship of our present congress and senate, both of whom are dominated by the democrats.

And yeah, if you ask me what I would do with an Iran that wants to destroy Israel and denies the Holocaust, and finances terrorists that kill our soldiers in Iraq...I would say the exact same thing as McCain. As for McCain dropping bombs in Vietnam for fun...are you on drugs?

Political discussions are always potentially volatile. I'll only respond to the most ridiculous comments from those who don't know what the hell they're talking about.
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post Oct 23 2008, 01:52 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Oct 22 2008, 01:45 PM) *
Obama is not a bad guy any more than Michael Moore is a bad guy. He's just clueless. Michael Moore is just an idiot.

Obama is an ultra liberal senator who wants to take money from those that work hard for it, and give it to those that don't deserve it.

He is completely unprepared to deal in foreign affairs because he has no experience. He is willing to speak with rogue dictators without preconditions, which is naive and reckless.
He wants to tax large corporations which will only mean that the cost is deferred to the middle class. He has questionable associations with radicals like William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Father Fagler, and Louis Farrakhan...all who hate their own country.

John McCain is an experienced senator, ex-fighter pilot who understands how to deal with our enemies. He is an honorable man who wants to work, and has worked, both sides of the aisle to keep our country strong, rather than wallow in the ridiculous partisanship of our present congress and senate, both of whom are dominated by the democrats.

And yeah, if you ask me what I would do with an Iran that wants to destroy Israel and denies the Holocaust, and finances terrorists that kill our soldiers in Iraq...I would say the exact same thing as McCain. As for McCain dropping bombs in Vietnam for fun...are you on drugs?

Political discussions are always potentially volatile. I'll only respond to the most ridiculous comments from those who don't know what the hell they're talking about.



Amen.


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Taking from the rich and giving to the poor is absurd.

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post Oct 23 2008, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Oct 22 2008, 05:45 PM) *
Obama is not a bad guy any more than Michael Moore is a bad guy. He's just clueless. Michael Moore is just an idiot.

Obama is an ultra liberal senator who wants to take money from those that work hard for it, and give it to those that don't deserve it.

He is completely unprepared to deal in foreign affairs because he has no experience. He is willing to speak with rogue dictators without preconditions, which is naive and reckless.
He wants to tax large corporations which will only mean that the cost is deferred to the middle class. He has questionable associations with radicals like William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Father Fagler, and Louis Farrakhan...all who hate their own country.

John McCain is an experienced senator, ex-fighter pilot who understands how to deal with our enemies. He is an honorable man who wants to work, and has worked, both sides of the aisle to keep our country strong, rather than wallow in the ridiculous partisanship of our present congress and senate, both of whom are dominated by the democrats.

And yeah, if you ask me what I would do with an Iran that wants to destroy Israel and denies the Holocaust, and finances terrorists that kill our soldiers in Iraq...I would say the exact same thing as McCain. As for McCain dropping bombs in Vietnam for fun...are you on drugs?

Political discussions are always potentially volatile. I'll only respond to the most ridiculous comments from those who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

I will agree that Obama perhaps lacks foreign policy experience. However, I don't subscribe to the notion that he lacks political experience in general, and I think Biden is a great consultant for him on foreign matters. I do think he is an intelligent enough person to deal with these issues.

Yes, the cost of certain products/services is deferred to the middle class if we tax their respective corporations more, but that is looking at a very limited view of the situation. The market as a whole will do much better with a middle class that is relieved of tax strains and this far outweighs trickle down costs of products/services of taxed corporations. Excuse me if I did not understand you clearly.

If you believe that his (mostly very limited) associations with the people you mentioned is any indication of his character as an individual, then I must simply disagree with you. It is not.

McCain is experienced. I think he is good man, and in fact I liked him before this election. I understand that things get tough during the campaigns but he has been downright inappropriate in terms of his accusations of Obama, but what scares me the most is his choice of Gov. Palin, who, if you want to talk about experience, is under no circumstances in my eyes fit to be either VP or especially the president. It honestly scares me that she is, and I don't like to quote Jack Cafferty but he's right on this one, "A 72 year old heart beat away" from the world's most powerful political position.

I also, unfortunately, think it is a very real possibility that someone will try to shoot Obama. We can hear even just from McCain rallies that some (certainly a minority, but still) of his supporters are downright ignorant and hateful.

Worth watching: Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama.


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post Oct 23 2008, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Oct 22 2008, 06:37 AM) *
GMC is NOT the place for political arguments, lets keep it civil, ok? Were all friends here! wink.gif


Yeah I agree with you. I think talking about politics can be a bloodbath... Especially with me tongue.gif.

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post Oct 23 2008, 03:48 AM
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Ive been trying to write something for a while now and my stupid computer keeps selecting all the text and deleting it without my consent! So here's my last attempt! I think it is absolutely horrible that some people care so little for there fellow man that they are willing to agree with the right wing violent policy regarding foreign affairs. The liberals have great policies regarding foreign contact and establishing peaceful relations with people who are now our enemies. The right wing simply wants to deal with our enemies as though they will always be our enemies. Now i am by no means a stick a flower in your gun Hippy but the united states military tactics are pitiful excuses for little men to push big buttons. Saddam Hussan's death could have just have easily come by a sniper bullet from a US rifle.. instead a full scale invasion. (not to mention it was the US who put him in power in the first place).

The Iraq invasion was based on the "war on terror". The terrorists killed a few thousand US citizens.. the US invasion killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Civilians.

The list could go on and im sure many right winged people are going to attack my comments and many left winged are going to support me. But the US NEEDS A LEADER WHO WILL BRING THE US BACK SOME RESPECT! Someone who is going to work on internal issues before looking for enemies to spend billions on bombs to kill. What the US needs to do is cut your military budget down 90$ and spend that money on fixing your own country before you use it to destroy someone elses. Establishing good relations is easier to do and less expensive then to kill your enemies. McCain is another war monger, he is pro war and will continue the U.S on its current path which unfortunately is the path to an economic depression (caused largely due to military spending). Unfortunately if the United states does not get its act together China is going to be the new world super power.. and as much as i dislike US governmental policy.. i don't like China's take on "communism" any better..


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QUOTE (Déjà vu @ Oct 22 2008, 09:29 PM) *
Yeah I agree with you. I think talking about politics can be a bloodbath... Especially with me tongue.gif.

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Look, I voted for Bush. And not ashamed of that. I am voting for Obama. He has to work with congress, it is not like he can make us all wear Mao outfits and carry a little red book. He will have to be a bit moderate to survive. However, he will get along better with the rest fo the world I think, and that is pretty important going forward.

I just don't see any positive with McCain. I felt years ago he was the most overrated politician in America. And now he is a 72 year old overrated politician.

It is not like Obama does not have to work with congress. If he goes against the will of the people, he is two years away from having the other party controlling congress. Congress passes the laws, and controls the money, not the President.

That is what happened with Clinton. He started out thinking he was going to go directions, but then realized he had to be more moderate to survive. So he fired his wife, and became a moderate democrat. Obama will be ok. I think he has great potential. Also being the first major country in the world with a Black president is something to be proud of. McCain is just a real poor candidate. The Republicans should have put in a better candidate.
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QUOTE (ace_frehely @ Oct 22 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Guys its all about


Having a Black president will do a lot more for us in international relations than having a woman would. It has nothing to do with Obama himself, it just will have appeal to the international community. Just the way it will be, that is obvious.

I don't think Hillary would have been bad. Generally I used to vote Republican, but they have got to change now, to go with the times. And they have not. People like Rush have to become fringe element, and they have to evolve into something a bit different, or they will be a permanent minority party, as the conservatives in England have become.

The problem I have with McCain, is that the only thing he stands for, is standing for nothing. I don't want a president who stands for nothing but compromise. And I don't feel 60 votes to appoint a Federal Judge was a good thing, and he was responsible for that happening, in his power play against Bush. For 200 years a simple majority was the way they went, how all of a sudden, was some guy who graduated 899th out of 904 in his class at the Navel Academy, why was he all of s sudden smart than others had been for 200 years. That was a bad thing, you need controversial Federal judges, not compromising judges that everyone thinks is just ok. Pretty hard for a guy who is controversial to get 60% of the votes. I hold that against McCain. He just is not real bright to tell you the truth. Look G.W. had an estimated I.Q. of 127. McCain, 115. There you go.
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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Oct 23 2008, 03:48 AM) *
The Iraq invasion was based on the "war on terror". The terrorists killed a few thousand US citizens.. the US invasion killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Civilians.


Man, I don't know where you get your facts, but if you believe the US killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, you live in Dreamland. It's just that kind of inaccuracy that does a grave injustice to the brave men and women of the US military who are risking their lives in Iraq every day, until the day when Iraq can survive on its' own. We're not murderers!

We took out an evil dictator and his henchmen, and the Iraqi people are ecstatic that we did. They love us. If we killed hundreds of thousands of them, do you think that would be the case? Get your facts straight.

It's an unfortunate fact that our presence in the Middle East is necessary to ensure the stability of the region vis-a-vis our need for foreign oil.
We cannot allow Iran, or any other rogue state to dictate our oil supply. And we will not allow Iran to use nuclear weapons on our Israeli ally.

I'll say again that I think Obama is a good man. But, he is not the guy we need in the white house in trying times like these, especially. The fact is that both sides of the aisle have dropped the ball, no kidding, they're politicians! But a democratic president, especially an ultra liberal rookie like Obama, will let the democratic majority senate and congress run wild with government giveaways...he won't be able to stop them.

And if you think that only the top 5% of the working population is going to feel the tax burden, you're dreaming. The middle class will be hit hard again. When did a politician ever keep his word in regards to his campaign speeches? Don't be smitten by an eloquent speaker. Look at his voting record. Obama has accomplished nothing in his short time in office...nothing.

And I see where Sarah Palin is catching hell from many. Look, she managed a multi-billion dollar budget for her state, she called dishonest politicians to the carpet, in her own party, and she reformed the tax situation in Alaska to where her constituency got money back as a result. She actually worked for her constituency, imagine that!

Being a governor of a state, particularly one as large as Alaska, gives her more leadership credentials than any senator. She's just the kind of leader we need in Washington because she will fight cronyism, and work toward getting the government working for the people...what a concept.

And I would have no problem with her running the white house, if need be. Presidents are not emporers or kings. They are surrounded with experts in all fields, as well as the senate and congress. She would do just fine. In fact, I'm betting on it.

As far as Obamas' associations with radicals: it speaks to the guys' judgement. Ayers is an unrepentent terrorist, Wright is a racist lunatic, whose church Obama attended for 20 years, Farrakhan is also a racist rabble rouser who hates Jews and whites. This is ignored, of course, by the liberal leaning press, except for Fox News.

If John McCain hung around with members of the KKK for 20 years, how do you think he would be treated by the liberal press? All of a sudden, these associations would be extremely relevant!

I don't trust Obama to keep his word, and I don't think he has the balls to stand up to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, two ultra liberal idealogues who would turn our country into a socialist state if they could. The democrats are weak on defense and bad about taxing the middle class to furnish handouts for those that don't deserve it.

The state of our economy and the terrorist threat dictates that we elect a leader with experience, who will not tax us into a recession, and one who will not cowtow to rogue dictators, and allow the bad guys to get the upper hand. Cutting our military is an absurd idea by someone who just doesn't get it, it's already spread way too thin as it is. I'm telling you that our enemies are praying that we elect Obama. You have to ask yourself why.

An educated voter is an informed voter. Don't listen to what these clowns say, see how they voted to get a glimpse of their personal record. McCain wins hands down.
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