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post Oct 24 2008, 09:33 PM
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Why do so many people think EMG pickups are only for metal?

Yes actives have higher output. And yes if your guitar is on 10 and you have actives you will be throwing out more sound.

But cant you play other kinds of music with these pickups?

Mine sound great clean. And also with light dirt on them.

It doesnt have to be 1000% ballz out metal with these pickups.

EMG makes entire lines of pickups for single coil strats and teles. These arent even metal guitars. (traditionally)

Look at EMGs artist list. Its not all metal dudes.....

Who else here uses EMGS for other things besides face melting metal?


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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 24 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Why do so many people think EMG pickups are only for metal?

Yes actives have higher output. And yes if your guitar is on 10 and you have actives you will be throwing out more sound.

But cant you play other kinds of music with these pickups?

Mine sound great clean. And also with light dirt on them.

It doesnt have to be 1000% ballz out metal with these pickups.

EMG makes entire lines of pickups for single coil strats and teles. These arent even metal guitars. (traditionally)

Look at EMGs artist list. Its not all metal dudes.....

Who else here uses EMGS for other things besides face melting metal?



because emgs were designed for metal...being active has nothing to do it with..there are some dimarzio pick ups designed for metal as well...

i personally think they are very one sided sounding, but thats just me...it has to do a lot of the output as well...the higher ouput you go, the less your cleans sound clean and the less eq has an effect on the pick up...but if it sounds good to you there should be no problem...


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post Oct 24 2008, 09:38 PM
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I know a Guy who put EMG's in his Gibson Es-335. He says his band plays Scandanavian Progressive Grindcore, and polka, but anyway, i agree that EMG's can be used for more than metal. Just ask Marcus!

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post Oct 24 2008, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 24 2008, 10:33 PM) *
Why do so many people think EMG pickups are only for metal?

Yes actives have higher output. And yes if your guitar is on 10 and you have actives you will be throwing out more sound.

But cant you play other kinds of music with these pickups?

Mine sound great clean. And also with light dirt on them.

It doesnt have to be 1000% ballz out metal with these pickups.

EMG makes entire lines of pickups for single coil strats and teles. These arent even metal guitars. (traditionally)

Look at EMGs artist list. Its not all metal dudes.....

Who else here uses EMGS for other things besides face melting metal?
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Too high output. EMG isn't very versatile...
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post Oct 24 2008, 10:04 PM
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I certainly understand the output issue.

High output pickup (especially a humbucker) plus guitar turned all the way up is a good start for metal.

But who says you gotta have your guitar turned all the way up?

Isnt one of the features of that kind of pickup the noislessness of actives? You still get that at all volume levels on the guitar knob.

And what about non-humbuckers? Look at EMGs product site. Lots of single coils. Even Acoustics.

If somebody said EMG 81's are terrific for metal I'd nod my head and toast that statement.

But "EMGs are designed for metal" = Rubbish.

Just ask EMG. The company started in 1974. Not a lot of face blsitering metal was created in those days.....

Here is "Why EMG" from their site.

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EMG's are easy to install. Each pickup features EMG's own Quik-Connect header and mating cable for quick installation. Included with each pickup are pre-wired volume and tone controls, battery clip, output jack, and diagrams. All models are designed for direct replacement into most standard instruments. There are instances where "direct" replacement isn't possible, but a minimum of work should be required.
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There is no other pickup built as well as an EMG. The coils are precision wound, matched both resistively and inductively, and finally, vacuum sealed. All internal preamplifiers are Surface Mount Technology (SMT) for quality and reliability. Each pickup is tested for audio quality and reliability before encapsulation and again before shipment.
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String Interface
The first choice in design is the string interface. The selection of a bar magnet or individual pole pieces is also an important one. All initial EMG designs use a bar magnet for two reasons - Pole pieces place too much magnetism under the strings and cause the lower ones (primarily low E, A, and D) to go "out of pitch" with a Doppler effect. This is especially true of the Fender Stratocaster* where 3 poles under each of the strings push and pull them through a variety of unnatural movements. Poles can also make intonation and tuning difficult. On the other hand, pole pieces have the benefit of a percussive attack giving the pickup much more of a "plucky" sound.
Designs featuring a bar magnet have a much more linear (balanced) output from string to string. Its attack is less pronounced than the pole piece design resulting in smoother distortion, and much better sustain. String bending is smoother because the output doesn't fade when you bend strings. By relying on the internal preamp for gain the bar magnet can also be smaller, further limiting the magnetic "pull" on the strings. And, the continuous magnetic field of the bar allows for any string spacing. Perfect for any multi stringed instrument, and the less conventional instrument.
Most EMG Pickups use a magnetic bar. Single coil pickups are available in both bar and pole-piece designs. There are fewer negative attributes to the bar and it's preferable, but if you like pole-pieces for your playing style then there is an EMG model for you.
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Magnets
It's not really necessary for a pickup to have a magnet at all, but it helps. The magnet acts as the juice for the signal flow. The shape and type of magnet used in each EMG Pickup is different. Ceramic magnets don't affect the inductance of the coil but have a much stronger magnetic field. Alnico material exhibits less magnetism yet greatly increases the inductance of the EMG design. Each has an affect on the resultant output and frequency response of the pickup. The addition of steel poles (either bar or screw/stud) increase the inductance of the pickup design and further change the results.
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Coils
Tall and skinny, short and squat, long and wide, every EMG Pickup has two and they are the basis of each EMG. There are different types and sizes of magnet wire that can be used, combining their attributes with the shape of the coil has a tremendous affect on the tone. A long, skinny coil will have more resistance yielding less low frequency response, while a short, squat coil will have less resistance, and more inductance.
It's a balancing act to achieve the style of tone you want. In all cases, EMG Pickups have two coils. This is necessary for noise reduction, while providing the vehicle for the distinctive EMG tone. Coils are sometimes placed side by side, or stacked, but in both cases each coil is treated independently by the preamp. Instead of having the coils in series or parallel with a single output, they are electronically summed so their attributes can be controlled individually.
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The preamplifier used inside each EMG Pickup is no ordinary preamp. Built directly into each pickup, the preamp is an integral part of the pickup design assuring quality of sound performance, incredible noise reduction, and simplicity in installation. It provides a variety of benefits for us as the designer and for you as the player. A natural by-product of the preamp is gain. It allows us to design a pickup for its particular tone without concern for the pickup's output. After the coils have been modeled, any amount of output needed is available from the preamp.
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Tone Modeling
One of the most important aspects governing the tone of a pickup is the resonant frequency. EMG Pickups use "Impedance Modeling" to manipulate the two coils. This innovation allows us to shape a mix of the reactive slope and resonance from each of the two coils. The idea is to achieve a complex mixture of each coils phase and frequency response resulting in a richer tone from the pickup. This means the sound is vibrantly alive with more harmonics than from conventional passive pickups. EMG Pickups like the EMG-S, EMG-SA, and the EMG-60 use this technique to its fullest, while the EMG-81 uses modeling in only a small way. Modeling might work well for a single coil pickup, but not for a design such as the EMG-ACS Acoustic Sound Hole Pickup. As each pickup design is approached differently, it all depends on the final result we're searching for.
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Noise Reduction
Another benefit from the internal preamp is noise reduction. By integrating the preamp into the housing, all the elements of the pickup can be shielded. By matching the coils to a high degree, the low frequency hum and buzz are virtually eliminated. In addition, each EMG is housed in a composite cover cap that eliminates all other forms of interference. Most EMG Models have noise figures of better than -85dB, still other EMG Pickups achieve a noise figure that exceeds -100dB. All the internal components are fully vacuum-sealed and encapsulated in epoxy to prevent microphonic noise and to increase long-term reliability.
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Low Impedence Output
The low impedance output of the EMG internal preamp provides other great features. You can run a cable for up to 100 feet (30 meters) without losing high frequency response. You'll also be able to get the same tone with a wireless unit as you do with a cable. The tone of your instrument will remain consistent when you change the volume control as well. Not only can you plug directly into your favorite amp, you can go direct to tape preamp (especially for acoustic guitar recording) or direct to a mixing console input without a direct box. You can plug into any portable cassette recorder, or even your home stereo auxiliary input, and play your instrument with incredible results.
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Power
An instrument equipped with EMG Pickups requires power from a single 9 Volt battery. With two EMG Pickups installed, your instrument draws about 160 microamps of current. Even if you play eight hours a day, this small amount of current drain means that a battery will last up to a year. A single 9 Volt battery will power as many EMG Pickups and Accessory Circuits as you can fit in your guitar. Power to the pickups is turned off by unplugging the guitar cable from your instrument.




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Too high output. EMG isn't very versatile...


So back off the volume knob a bit.

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post Oct 24 2008, 10:07 PM
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I have dual EMG 81's in my currently reitred les paul (its broke and i havn't the time to fix it.... although i feel a craving for it now...) I also have 2 EMG's in my ibanez which i use regularly... for things such as shinedown/disturbed.... yet also for classic rock and more clean stuff like 3 doors down, EMG's are very versatile.

I also have an ibanez with a seymour duncan and a dimebag signature pickup.... theyre very versatile too considering they both have a certain style assigned to them, they make a very good mix.


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QUOTE (muntahunta @ Oct 24 2008, 04:07 PM) *
I have dual EMG 81's in my currently reitred les paul (its broke and i havn't the time to fix it.... although i feel a craving for it now...) I also have 2 EMG's in my ibanez which i use regularly... for things such as shinedown/disturbed.... yet also for classic rock and more clean stuff like 3 doors down, EMG's are very versatile.

I also have an ibanez with a seymour duncan and a dimebag signature pickup.... theyre very versatile too considering they both have a certain style assigned to them, they make a very good mix.


I'm always wondering why do you guys would prefer dual EMG-81 instead different combination such as EMG81-60 or EMG81-85, etc? In that way you could get more versatility in your sound, right?
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i like EMGs, especially the 81-60 combo. That pair is probably the most versatile IMO, since the 60 has generally a lower output.

But i think why people think they're just metal pickups is because, well, thats all you really see nowadays in bands. i know there are a variety of pickups to choose from, but EMGs handle that low, down-tuned sound that alot of bands are using. thats probably the reason for their reputation. Also, METALLICA has been using them for a long time now \m/

btw, i have EMG H4 and H4A passives in my Schecter, do those count for anything? tongue.gif


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post Oct 24 2008, 11:05 PM
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You can play anything you want with any pickups if you like the way they sound IMO. I haven't used EMGs, but they are among the best for hi gain stuff as I have heard many times. So I guess this is why people generalize this brand with some heavier type music.


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I have a set of 81/85's and enjoy them for all my presets(clean to dirty). I do agree with the output issue but feel that can be controlled with the volume and other aspects of the effects chain. This is just my opinion and that's why their are so many pups on the market. Opinions vary.. smile.gif


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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 24 2008, 11:04 PM) *
So back off the volume knob a bit.
I don't like corvettes. Too fast!!!!! smile.gif


I don't see why you ask for opinions when you already have your answers.
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QUOTE (SensE @ Oct 24 2008, 10:26 PM) *
I'm always wondering why do you guys would prefer dual EMG-81 instead different combination such as EMG81-60 or EMG81-85, etc? In that way you could get more versatility in your sound, right?


I love the sound of en EMG81 and couldnt decide wether to put it in the neck or bridge, when i tried them in both i loved the 2 different tones it gave out.


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I don't see why you ask for opinions when you already have your answers.


I'm, looking for why others think that. I dont think that. But it seems that a lot of people do. I find it curious and wanted to know more behind these thoughts.

THis isnt the type of question where there is an unknown for me that I need help figuring out. Its just curiosity is all.





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The thing about EMGs is that they are very low output, people always make the mistake to say that they are high output. And they have a lot less of loss in sound quality etc.




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I don't know...
For me the EMG's can, as other brands of pickups be used for a variety of music styles. It all depends on how you set up your tone, and what your fingers play. I think most people connect EMG with people because of the 81, which is really nice for palm muting metal riffing, because of it's tightness... I don't find EMG have any more distortion in the pickup itself compared to passive higain pups... OK, the sheer volume will overdrive the amp more, as will hipowered passives do... They are low output but goes through this amplifying circuit which make them maybe compressed, but also very low-noise.
There is a "general" truth amongst some that EMG's are lifeless, compressed, sterile and whatever. I think they have this compressed tone to them, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. But lifeless? No, I don't think so... They are dead quiet though, so if life = unwanted noise generated by other electrical equipment I guess they are lifeless.. Again not a a bad thing.

We guitarists are a very traditional-bound breed, we often hear about different equipment and this later becomes the "truth". We often are effected by hearsay when we plan on buying stuff...
One is EMG's are sterile, another is USA-made guitars are always superior, yet another is you can not get good sound out of anything but real tube-amps because modelers suck...

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One of my guitars has a 85/89 combo and I love it. To me they are very versatile, certainly not just metal.


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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 25 2008, 02:25 PM) *
I'm, looking for why others think that. I dont think that. But it seems that a lot of people do. I find it curious and wanted to know more behind these thoughts.

THis isnt the type of question where there is an unknown for me that I need help figuring out. Its just curiosity is all.


Ok. No offense, but it is pretty annoying when you ask, and then make 100 arguments against your reply.
Though, no problem, I am sure you didn't mean to.

GL with your PU search smile.gif

QUOTE (jer @ Oct 25 2008, 02:25 PM) *
I'm, looking for why others think that. I dont think that. But it seems that a lot of people do. I find it curious and wanted to know more behind these thoughts.

THis isnt the type of question where there is an unknown for me that I need help figuring out. Its just curiosity is all.


Really? Well, either way, too high or too low = no versatility biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (muntahunta @ Oct 25 2008, 05:25 AM) *
I love the sound of en EMG81 and couldnt decide wether to put it in the neck or bridge, when i tried them in both i loved the 2 different tones it gave out.


HAHA.. laugh.gif I see. I've never thought about this
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I'm not looking for pickups. Just for understanding in the thought behind this fairly common belief.

EMGs are only good for metal. I get all kinds of good tones out of mine and have heard a great range in other peoples playing too.

Maybe there are a good many people who have only ever heard EMGs used for metal.

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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 25 2008, 08:42 PM) *
I'm not looking for pickups. Just for understanding in the thought behind this fairly common belief.

EMGs are only good for metal. I get all kinds of good tones out of mine and have heard a great range in other peoples playing too.

Maybe there are a good many people who have only ever heard EMGs used for metal.

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I have played many les paul with EMG, and it sucks for blues and clean IMO smile.gif
Of course, if you like it, then it's all good.

And there's no doubt, they are high quality PUs.
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