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post Oct 30 2008, 11:16 AM
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ok. This may sound obvious to most but after 6 years I have only just realised this.

G major = G A B C D E F# => Gmaj - Amin - Bmin - Cmaj - Dmaj - Emin - F#dim

That I knew but I didn't realise how you could remember it easily. But I've realised how you get the chords I think

You do kind of 1 3 5 for everyone starting with the letter you want.

So G skip one B skip one D is G Major

Then A skip one C skip one E is Amin

Keep doing this and you get

GBD - G Major
ACE - A Minor
BDF# - B Minor
CEG - C Major
DF#A - D Major
EGB - E Minor
F#AC - F# Diminished

Am I correct with this? I'm a bit of an idiot but I'm happy if this is correct and I've just realised it. smile.gif


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post Oct 30 2008, 11:18 AM
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post Oct 30 2008, 11:21 AM
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Tonight I'm going to draw all the Major Scale stuff out and understand the chords and notes. It's all coming together slowly smile.gif


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post Oct 30 2008, 11:28 AM
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That's right...When you are building chords out of one scale you are taking its notes and stacking thirds one on top of the other on each scale degree..There is a third between 1 and 3 and third between 3 and 5...If you are making triads you are going to do 1 3 5 (3 note chord) , if your making seventh chord you just stack another third on top and get 1 3 5 7.Depending what intervals you get in the end will determine if its major , minor , diminished , dominant chord...

But we remember it by the simple formula :

I-------II----III-----IV------ V------VI-------VII - scale degrees
major minor minor major major minor diminished - quality of chords

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post Oct 30 2008, 11:38 AM
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Let me try and get this for C Major

CDEFGAB

CEG - C Major
DFA - D Minor
EGB - E Minor
FAC - F Major
GBD - G Major
ACE - A Minor
BDF - B Diminished



And you can use this for any major scale just add the same Major, Minor, Diminished.


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post Oct 30 2008, 11:45 AM
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That is correct! You can use the formula on ANY major scale since they are all constructed in the same way.Chord type order in relation to scales degree will always stay the same! smile.gif


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post Oct 30 2008, 11:47 AM
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If you want to use 7th chords in places does that possibly change the chord type?


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Jackpot biggrin.gif now add one third more.

CEGB = Cmaj7
DFAC = Dmin7
EGBD = Emin7
FACE = Fmaj7
GBDF = G dominant 7
ACEG = Amin7
BDFA = Bmin7 -5

Now, another interesting thing to note is that Cmaj7 = C major + E minor triads
Dmin7 = Dminor + F major triads
Emin7 = E minor + G major triads
etc. This goes up to 13th chords. Often you'll skip the 11th (4th) because it's the Sus4 tone and combined with a third it sounds awful, like a twig in the bicycle wheel...

My advice is to practise the triads (like CEG) throughout all of the modes, all keys, Caged, 3nps patterns. This because when you know them, you can stack them up to create different arpeggios.

Like Amin triad + a min an octave up = 5 string sweep hehe. Amin + Amin an octave up, slide to next octave and do A min again and you have a massive sweep hehe... hehe.. heh.. he.. hrm..

Great thing to practise, I do it a lot but I'm a slow learner... so it takes a lot of time.



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post Oct 30 2008, 11:51 AM
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For seventh chords its this general formula :

I - maj7

II - min7

III - min7

IV - maj7

V - 7

VI - min7

VII - min7b5

Of course you can combine "normal" and seventh chords but make sure you play the right chord type in the right place..Seventh chord is same , just has added note (7th)

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What is the interval make up of a dominant chord?


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 30 2008, 11:54 AM) *
What is the interval make up of a dominant chord?


1 3 5 b7


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Oct 30 2008, 10:58 AM) *
1 3 5 b7

Cheers. I think now I just need to work on a bit of this and maybe record some progressions and jam with them. I just want to know a bit more of what I'm doing as for these collabs that I do I go all for melody. I hear it in my head and I tab it out. I don't know the notes I can play so maybe in places I could pick a slightly better note smile.gif


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COngratulations OC, this is really a major breakthrough, because most of the time people have problem of being aware this simple rule, and it is basically one of the most important things in theory! smile.gif


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Great formula guys. Try now to harmonize "Ab major scale" into 4 note chords for the challenge. I would like to see how many will give the correct answer. Teachers don't help please, I would like to see some answers from guys that are learning about modes.


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Ab Major 7
Bb Minor 7
C Minor 7
Db Major 7
Eb Dominant 7
F Minor 7
G Minor 7 flattened 3rd

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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 30 2008, 12:06 PM) *
Ab Major 7
Bb Minor 7
C Minor 7
Db Major 7
Eb Dominant 7
F Minor 7
G Minor 7 flattened 3rd


G Minor 7 flattened 3rd ???


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Oct 30 2008, 12:09 PM) *
G Minor 7 flattened 3rd ???

G Min7b5 sorry

Minor already has flattened 3rd in it biggrin.gif

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Here's where I get stuck.

I know the harmonizing the scale concept. And it makes perfect sense.

But how does one use it efficiently?

Meaning this. Say I'm a guitar player and someone says play a I-III-VI in Gb.

I know what the answer is. But it'll take me about 10 minutes to come up with it. First I gotta find paper, then a pencil, then sit down.... ok, carry the one....

Do you more experienced players have all of this memorized?


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dude I had that moment like a week ago !!!!!!!!!!!!! It's great you're like.. HEY! that's how itis!


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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 12:10 PM) *
Here's where I get stuck.

I know the harmonizing the scale concept. And it makes perfect sense.

But how does one use it efficiently?

Meaning this. Say I'm a guitar player and someone says play a I-III-VI in Gb.

I know what the answer is. But it'll take me about 10 minutes to come up with it. First I gotta find paper, then a pencil, then sit down.... ok, carry the one....

Do you more experienced players have all of this memorized?

You just need to know the notes of the Major scale and the pattern so with 3 note chords you have I-III-VI which is Major, Minor, Minor.

So C Major has no accidentals therefore you play C Major, E Minor and A Minor. Just remember what accidentals there are in each Major scale and voila.

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