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Oct 30 2008, 11:02 PM |
So, the cycle of fifths defines the sharps, and the cycle of fourths defines the flats...is that it? correct As an add-on to Emirs picture above, here is an helpful training tool: http://musictheory.net/trainers/html/id83_en.html If you understood the concept it's quite helpful just for memorizing. great tool wrk -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Oct 31 2008, 12:45 AM |
great Frank. These things are essential. It's really cool that we can all communicate this way and help each other.
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Oct 31 2008, 01:40 AM |
Wow, this topic has really gone a long way
While I wait for my upload, let me write my 2 cents on the circles: THE CIRCLE OF FIFTHS: People often ask what is the circle of fifths. Behind that cryptic name there's a very simple concept basically and it all starts with good ol' C major scale: C - D - E = F - G - A - B = C what we have above is a C major scale. Sign (-) marks the whole step interval, and sign (=) a half step interval. For those of you who don't know what whole step and half step means, when translated to guitar neck a whole step is when the notes are 2 frets apart on one string and half step is when the notes are right next to each other on the string, so 1 step apart. So: (-) whole step, notes are 2 frets apart (=) half step, notes are 1 fret apart (next to each other) Why is this important well let's look at the C major scale again: C - D - E = F - G - A - B = C suppose we wanna make another scale out of it, how do we do that? Easy, we will follow these 3 basic steps bellow, bare with me: Step number 1 we are gonna split the C major scale in two parts like this: C - D - E = F G - A - B = C Now notice here that both of these parts have the same whole step, half step layout This is one important characteristic of the major scale, and every major scale has this layout. Step number 2 We are gonna make the second major scale, now starting from the second part the C major scale that we had in step number 1, like this: G - A - B = C - D - E = F - G But is there something wrong with this scale? Well yes it does not have the same layout of whole step, half step intervals like C major scale does. In step number one we have a rule that says that every major scale has ( - - = - - - = ) the same layout of steps between the notes. To transform this scale into G major scale we have to do the step three. Step number 3 Again we have our scale from above: G - A - B = C - D - E = F - G in order to transform it to G major we must raise the VII note by a half step. This will create a ( - - = - - - = ) layout that we need. If we raise the F note the scale will look like this: G - A - B = C - D - E - F# = G So this above my folks is a regular G major scale. If we wanna create another scale so what now?? Well simply split the G major scale now to two parts and follow the same steps, then split that scale and follow again those steps etc.. How does this relates to the circle of fifths?? Well simple every time we are making a new major scale, we are actually starting to build from the 5th note of a previous major scale. In C major, 5th note is G, so now we have G major. In G major 5th note is D, so now we have D major. In D major 5th note is A, so now we have A major. In A major 5th note is E, so now we have E major. In E major 5th note is B, so now we have B major. In B major 5th note is F#, so now we have F# major. In F# major 5th note is C#, so now we have C# major. So this is my friends building following the circle of fifths. Now if you remember the 3rd step, we had to raise the VII note every time. This means that every next major scale in the circle have +1 # sign. In C major - 0 # In G major - 1 # In D major - 2 # In A major - 3 # In E major - 4 # In B major - 5 # In F# major - 6 # In C# major - 7# Doing circle of fourths is very similar only going backwards, and starting from the fourth note of a scale. A more detailed explanation on the circle of fourths tomorrow, or check out Andrew's theory lessons. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Oct 31 2008, 01:43 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Oct 31 2008, 02:24 AM |
That's exactly it man you got it
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Oct 31 2008, 02:39 AM |
Great thread guys,keep em coming!
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Oct 31 2008, 10:36 AM |
That is correct FrankW!
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Oct 31 2008, 12:39 PM |
Well here is E major: E-F#-G#=A-B-C#-D#=E
The next step should be B major 1st step: E-F#-G#=A and B-C#-D#=E 2nd step - we rotate it B-C#-D#=E-F#-G#=A 3rd step (is this B mixolydian?) raising 7th degree on A# B-C#-D#=E-F#-G#-A# Aight? -------------------- my youtube account with riffs and ideas: https://www.youtube.com/user/Phoenygzus
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Oct 31 2008, 03:18 PM |
Let me give this a shot....
F# Major F#-G#-A=B-C#-D-E=F# F#-G#-A=B C#-D-E=F# So next scale would be...? C#-D-E=F#-G#-A-B=C# |
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Oct 31 2008, 04:11 PM |
So I need to raise "A" by a 1/2 step? This would complete the "Circle" back to C Major, correct?
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Oct 31 2008, 05:06 PM |
F# maj is actually: F# G# A# B C# D# F F# (can you have F and F# in there? Should we being calling F Eb here?) w w h w w w h You got the right notes but you wrote them incorrectly F should be E# and that way you won't have F written twice. F# major has 6 sharps so: F# G# A# B C# D# E# (F# - root is not usually written twice, 7 notes are enough) And also forget about flats when you are working with the cycle of fifths. There are no flats This post has been edited by Emir Hot: Oct 31 2008, 05:09 PM -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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