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post Nov 5 2008, 02:44 AM
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Dang, this poll looks alot like my TV sceen right now. Go figure smile.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 03:00 AM
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Ohio went Obama, the fat lady has sung.

But is does not matter, because America is the great Satan, and I should kill myself, as I promised earlier. Except my pets complained because only I can operate a can opener.

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post Nov 5 2008, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 4 2008, 06:33 PM) *
Check out the UK for an example of how public health should NOT be done - its not a pannacea unless its done right. Not that I fully support the current US system, but one thing it does right is provide excellent service to its customers. The UK health service is spotty and inconsistent by contrast.

Prices should be controlled, access should be universal, but please don't make it entirely public, or you will be waiting in line a year for a bypass operation like they do in the UK ...



Andrew, I agree with your point about healthcare.....I was in Europe for the past year, and although all had access to healthcare, it was not great care. Not even good. And getting through the system was almost impossible if you needed a specialist or advanced care.

McCain here.
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post Nov 5 2008, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE (black and white @ Nov 4 2008, 09:01 PM) *
Andrew, I agree with your point about healthcare.....I was in Europe for the past year, and although all had access to healthcare, it was not great care. Not even good. And getting through the system was almost impossible if you needed a specialist or advanced care.

McCain here.


He will have to go for Presidency in the Canary Islands, because he is toast here.
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post Nov 5 2008, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 4 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Picture a world without American extremism (aka terrorism)..

It's the same thing. You can't lump people together just like Andrew said to me. There are extremists in every country and in every religious background. I hate it when people are racist and just mention Islamic Extremism. It's this closed mind that led to the war in Iraq.

There are extremists in all countries and of all cultures and background.

Just because I'm not a terrorist doesn't mean all the English Agnostics are not terrorists.

And this isn't having a go it's just saying don't lump people together. I tend to do it too much also sad.gif


Thank you.
I'm Muslim myself and I find it EXTREMLY offensive when the word "Muslim",to the Western World, is ALWAYS related to "terrorist" or "potential terrorist" it's just plain DUMB and STUPID.
And I agree 100% with OC EVERY country and culture has extremists not just Muslims. Give us a break will you?
We KNOW most Americans hate us. YOU know most Americans hate us and that's fine but please respect our relegion
as we respect yours.

QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 5 2008, 12:48 AM) *
The wacko guys are more a result of poverty, and humiliation over the last few centuries, anger and hatred towards those responsible for it, westerners. I don't consider it so much a religious thing, as much as it is made out to be.


Absolutely true. Thank you for clearing that up.
I wish all the western world people understood that as clearly as you do. smile.gif

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post Nov 5 2008, 03:45 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 4 2008, 06:29 PM) *
Thank you.
I'm Muslim myself and I find it EXTREMLY offensive when the word "Muslim",to the Western World, is ALWAYS related to "terrorist" or "potential terrorist" it's just plain DUMB and STUPID.
And I agree 100% with OC EVERY country and culture has extremists not just Muslims. Give us a break will you?
We KNOW most Americans hate us. YOU know most Americans hate us and that's fine but please respect our relegion
as we respect yours.


I must say I do respect your religion. I dont agree with it, ( We all have different faiths) but I respect all of you for who you are. Not Muslims, but People. I can only imagine how bad it is to have everyone constantly stereotype your faith and relate it to terrorism on top of that because things that were done by a small majority of the Muslim Community.


On another note:


I feel betrayed.... even the polls on Fox News say Obama! huh.gif

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post Nov 5 2008, 03:47 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 4 2008, 09:29 PM) *
We KNOW most Americans hate us. YOU know most Americans hate us and that's fine but please respect our relegion
as we respect yours.


I don't know anyone like that, who thinks like that. I don't know where you get that from, but you don't understand the average American if that is your perception of us.
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post Nov 5 2008, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 5 2008, 05:47 AM) *
I don't know anyone like that, who thinks like that. I don't know where you get that from, but you don't understand the average American if that is your perception of us.


Maybe it's not correct. But that's how everyone I know thinks of Americans. Even my friends from european countries think the same way.
Or maybe it's just you and the people you know are on of the "enlightened" ones and acutally know what's going on in the real world,outside the USA.
Although I had more than 5 friends who went to study in the USA and all of them said that they were treated differently from Non-Muslim people but if you say it's not true then I'm glad about it.
I've been to most countries all over the world except to the USA and I don't want to go there. I'm a man with high self-respect and worth. why would I go to a country that there is a possibility people would treat me differently from other people just because of my relegion?
Excuse me if I'm being extremly sterotypical but as I have said everyone I know went to the USA,after 9/11, said the same thing.
Went a little bit off topic there but I just wanted to clarify why I said those things.

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post Nov 5 2008, 04:04 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 4 2008, 09:53 PM) *
Maybe it's not correct. But that's how everyone I know thinks of Americans. Even my friends from european countries think the same way.
Or maybe it's just you and the people you know are on of the "enlightened" ones and acutally know what's going on in the real world,outside the USA.
Although I had more than 5 friends who went to study in the USA and all of them said that they were treated differently than Non-Muslim people but if you say it's not true then I'm glad about it.


It goes against the grain of most American's to discriminate against a person because of race color or creed. But there are misunderstandings. And stereotypes coming from both directions. I assure you that most Americans strongly do not want to see themselves as bigots, we would feel humiliated. I think most people in the world are really like that, if you get to know them.
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post Nov 5 2008, 04:25 AM
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I voted Obama wink.gif. Now, back to the "real" election... Thank you for this poll Fkalich! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 4 2008, 09:00 PM) *
Ohio went Obama, the fat lady has sung.

But is does not matter, because America is the great Satan, and I should kill myself, as I promised earlier. Except my pets complained because only I can operate a can opener.


your ability to use logic and thumbs make you almost a god to them.. unfortunately.. your a god they actually need in a more than psychological way.

Looks like Obamas gunna get it smile.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 04:30 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 4 2008, 09:53 PM) *
Maybe it's not correct. But that's how everyone I know thinks of Americans. Even my friends from european countries think the same way.
Or maybe it's just you and the people you know are on of the "enlightened" ones and acutally know what's going on in the real world,outside the USA.
Although I had more than 5 friends who went to study in the USA and all of them said that they were treated differently from Non-Muslim people but if you say it's not true then I'm glad about it.
I've been to most countries all over the world except to the USA and I don't want to go there. I'm a man with high self-respect and worth. why would I go to a country that there is a possibility people would treat me differently from other people just because of my relegion?
Excuse me if I'm being extremly sterotypical but as I have said everyone I know went to the USA,after 9/11, said the same thing.
Went a little bit off topic there but I just wanted to clarify why I said those things.


I would have no problem believing you, as a Muslim, came to America right after the events of 9/11, and you claimed to be treated differently... things were really tense back then... but I know nobody today that would act differently towards anybody of any race/ethnicity

oh and about going off-topic... this whole thread has been off-topic wink.gif

but very enlightening non-the-less. smile.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 04:31 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 5 2008, 03:02 AM) *
He will have to go for Presidency in the Canary Islands, because he is toast here.


Not in Kanas
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By the ABC just declared Obama the winner!

well now that this is over surely this thread is done wink.gif


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I'm happy with the result but it was quite obvious that it would end like this.

Bed Time as it is 4.15am here. Good night all smile.gif I have to get up for work in 4 hours sad.gif


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Congratulations all Americans...you are now offically rich. Your new tax bracket will reflect that.
Im sure the new health care program will be run as efficiently as social security has. I am truely grateful for more government control of all aspects of my life here.
I can wait for them to start reintrepreting the constitution.,,beginning with the second ammendment...that one that is suppose to protect us from government.

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good luck !

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sooooo did you vote for McCain?

oh and by the way President-elect Obama supports the second amendment wink.gif (even though I don't)

and I'm not sure what that quote from Hitler is supposed to mean sad.gif

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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Nov 5 2008, 05:31 AM) *
Congratulations all Americans...you are now offically rich. Your new tax bracket will reflect that.
Im sure the new health care program will be run as efficiently as social security has. I am truely grateful for more government control of all aspects of my life here.
I can wait for them to start reintrepreting the constitution.,,beginning with the second ammendment...that one that is suppose to protect us from government.

good luck !


I share your pain, brother. I have to say that I have never seen more ignorant, biased postings than on this particular thread. I tried. I'm embarrassed to be an American right now.
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Nov 4 2008, 11:54 PM) *
I share your pain, brother. I have to say that I have never seen more ignorant, biased postings than on this particular thread. I tried. I'm embarrassed to be an American right now.


And why are you embarrassed to be an American?


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QUOTE (Ctodd @ Nov 5 2008, 05:58 AM) *
And why are you embarrassed to be an American?


Because, in my opinion, Obama won because of a biased media. The average voter didn't bother, or was too ignorant and lazy to, research the outcome of what a democratic majority in the senate and congress, run by ultra liberals Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, would do to our country.

Our government is controlled by a system of checks and balances, and with an ultra liberal president like Obama, presiding over the congress and senate I just mentioned, we're in for a world of hurt. The American voters are saps for falling for the eloquent speech of Obama. Words mean nothing. We have been weakened, and I blame the voters for a biased slant...97% of all blacks voted for Obama...that's about race and race only.

All the enemies of the United States have prayed that Obama would win. Well, now he has, and we have nobody but ourselves to blame. USAMAN got it right regarding our taxes and increase in government control. And the bad guys are loving this regardless of what some of you think about the USA.

Don't forget that terrorism is a worldwide epidemic, and many countries have suffered attacks from radical extremists, not all Muslims, Spartan. The US leads the fight against terrorism, and the US is always the first to respond to help out a country under stress. We spend more charitable dollars to aid other countries than all the other countries in the UN combined. So, before you decide to carry on about how bloodthirsty we are, get your facts straight.

If the bloodthirsty US weren't around during WWII, things would be alot different wouldn't they?

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