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post Nov 5 2008, 06:36 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Nov 4 2008, 10:25 PM) *
Because, in my opinion, Obama won because of a biased media. The average voter didn't bother, or was too ignorant and lazy to, research the outcome of what a democratic majority in the senate and congress, run by ultra liberals Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, would do to our country.

Our government is controlled by a system of checks and balances, and with an ultra liberal president like Obama, presiding over the congress and senate I just mentioned, we're in for a world of hurt. The American voters are saps for falling for the eloquent speech of Obama. Words mean nothing. We have been weakened, and I blame the voters for a biased slant...97% of all blacks voted for Obama...that's about race and race only.

All the enemies of the United States have prayed that Obama would win. Well, now he has, and we have nobody but ourselves to blame. USAMAN got it right regarding our taxes and increase in government control. And the bad guys are loving this regardless of what some of you think about the USA.

Don't forget that terrorism is a worldwide epidemic, and many countries have suffered attacks from radical extremists, not all Muslims, Spartan. The US leads the fight against terrorism, and the US is always the first to respond to help out a country under stress. We spend more charitable dollars to aid other countries than all the other countries in the UN combined. So, before you decide to carry on about how bloodthirsty we are, get your facts straight.

If the bloodthirsty US weren't around during WWII, things would be alot different wouldn't they?


Obama won because of people, like me, that did do the research and voted based on what they thought best for this country and the rest of the world.

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post Nov 5 2008, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE (midnight @ Nov 5 2008, 06:36 AM) *
Obama won because of people, like me, that did do the research and voted based on what they thought best for this country and the rest of the world.

Wow. ohmy.gif


You don't get it. It's not about what's best for the rest of the world...it's about what's best for the people that live in the US. The rest of the world isn't going to pay our taxes or look to our national defense, they couldn't care less.

Many countries want to see us fail for no other reason than envy and jealousy. Like I said, we do more than any other country to foster democracy and world peace. But, because we're percieved as such a threat...we're the bad guys to many. The rest of the world benefits from a strong USA, and they depend on it.
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post Nov 5 2008, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Nov 4 2008, 10:48 PM) *
You don't get it. It's not about what's best for the rest of the world...it's about what's best for the people that live in the US. The rest of the world isn't going to pay our taxes or look to our national defense, they couldn't care less.

Many countries want to see us fail for no other reason than envy and jealousy. Like I said, we do more than any other country to foster democracy and world peace. But, because we're percieved as such a threat...we're the bad guys to many. The rest of the world benefits from a strong USA, and they depend on it.



"Best for this country and the rest of the world".

I admire your passion though. smile.gif

Thank goodness this freakin' election is over. Lets all take a breath and see what happens.
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post Nov 5 2008, 07:09 AM
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QUOTE (midnight @ Nov 5 2008, 07:02 AM) *
"Best for this country and the rest of the world".

That's just a slogan, Midnight. I guess we'll see what happens... smile.gif
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Well Done America for making the right choice!!


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Congratulations America smile.gif
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post Nov 5 2008, 08:37 AM
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there are ssssssooooooooooo many people that would disagree with you... well actually thats not true... but the people that do disagree... are very outspoken about it wink.gif not directed at anyone here... it's just that a bunch of my friends are really mad about the outcome of the election wink.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 5 2008, 03:29 AM) *
Thank you.
I'm Muslim myself and I find it EXTREMLY offensive when the word "Muslim",to the Western World, is ALWAYS related to "terrorist" or "potential terrorist" it's just plain DUMB and STUPID.
And I agree 100% with OC EVERY country and culture has extremists not just Muslims. Give us a break will you?
We KNOW most Americans hate us. YOU know most Americans hate us and that's fine but please respect our relegion
as we respect yours.

Absolutely true. Thank you for clearing that up.
I wish all the western world people understood that as clearly as you do. smile.gif

I agree with you there.. but i am affraid this is what happens when the guys responsible do the things they do "in the name of christ/allah/buddah" or whatever.. It's the minority that ruins it for the majority.. sad.gif

Oftentimes when we hear about attacks around the world, we hear sympathizing(spelling?) people yelling "Allahu Akbar".. I agree with you that it's the very minority.. the extremists who are doing this, but doing so in the name of their God is bad for everybody who worship this God.

Now, this could also be a result of media focussing too much on this, that the message of "God made me do it.. God told me to do it" is the message that comes across..

I dont know much about religions in general, but i sincerely doubt that any God would want you to do such things for them.

Like was mentioned earlier.. the people do this because they have been oppressed, humiliated and have had their honor taken away from them, but please dont tell the rest of the world that it is their Gods will, because i sincerely doubt that..

With that said i just want to say that every religion has it's own share of extremists, and they are all in some way or another "dangerous".

---- on topic ----
I am so naive that i believe the new president Obama will do everything he can to make this world a better place to live, while "solving" the inner problems of the country.

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post Nov 5 2008, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE (The Spartan @ Nov 5 2008, 02:29 AM) *
Thank you.
I'm Muslim myself and I find it EXTREMLY offensive when the word "Muslim",to the Western World, is ALWAYS related to "terrorist" or "potential terrorist" it's just plain DUMB and STUPID.
And I agree 100% with OC EVERY country and culture has extremists not just Muslims. Give us a break will you?
We KNOW most Americans hate us. YOU know most Americans hate us and that's fine but please respect our relegion
as we respect yours.



Absolutely true. Thank you for clearing that up.
I wish all the western world people understood that as clearly as you do. smile.gif


Just want to say I follow no religion,worship no flags and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with most muslims over the way they are treated and bullied by the god squad money lovers who clearly have been brainwashed into believing that Jews returning to their old stomping ground will mean rapture comes and sends them all to heaven.

I dont think Obama being elected has done anything but gloss over world politics,at its roots the money making machine will still have bases all round the world

If america spent less on its bloated war machine and invested that back into its own country,all my american friends would live a lot better!Its a great country that is tarnished by its never ending wars and coups being brought to other countries.

I just feel that Obama wont change a thing as he realy doesnt have the power to do so.If he realy wants to change things he should invite the Iranian President over and have a friendly chat with him.He should also shut down Fox news!lol

He should also put Bush on trial for war crimes,if he does that then we can get the ball rolling and get Blair in the court too:)

ohh and LOL at all the sour losers here,do you want some cheese with your Whine tongue.gif Realy love to see that old ww2 we saved you mantra come back once again laugh.gif To use an american expression
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post Nov 5 2008, 09:58 AM
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It's a sad day when a man can be elected purely on the basis of his colour sad.gif

I mean, he's mixed race and yet he's `black`. Is there something wrong with being white or mixed race?
I wonder if he would have got 97% of the black vote if he labelled himself as white?

Equal rights is not about a black man getting into the white house, it's about no one being interested in the colour of the man in the white house, and this election has shown that skin colour is still an extremely import issue to americans in the 21st century sad.gif


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QUOTE (Moon Boots @ Nov 5 2008, 09:58 AM) *
It's a sad day when a man can be elected purely on the basis of his colour sad.gif

I mean, he's mixed race and yet he's `black`. Is there something wrong with being white or mixed race?
I wonder if he would have got 97% of the black vote if he labelled himself as white?

Equal rights is not about a black man getting into the white house, it's about no one being interested in the colour of the man in the white house, and this election has shown that skin colour is still an extremely import issue to americans in the 21st century sad.gif

Correct. I am wondering how long he will be alive... There have been some attacks against Obama (if I remember right)...
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Despite everything and all arguing we've been having here
I must say that I'm pleased to hear Obama is a new USA president.
I truly hope that better days are coming for USA and the rest of the world. smile.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 10:59 AM
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How ironic that America has elected a party whose approval rating in congress is lower than George Bushs. ohmy.gif

As I had said we are witnessing unprecidented history, times have changed, people change,values change. laugh.gif

Now lets see if Obama is the man he says he is ? or will he bow to the left wing liberals who run the roost in the congress. biggrin.gif

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Being 50% black and 50% white he could call himself either but black has worked for him appearantly. Also when Clinton was elected people cried for change, that was to my understanding an even stronger need at this electing with the economy in a slope. With either Hilary or Obama "change" was inevitable, a woman or a black man. Talk about change!
I watched a documentary stating just that, and it was an objective one, where people said "I want a black president" and a young first time electors had everything clear in her mind saying "I'm voting for Obama! Why? I don't know, my sister told me to". So it's been a very populistic election and Obama had the upper hand for a couple of reasons. One mentioned above and the other is that he's far far far from being Bush (though they are related). People saw too much of a risk with McCain spite he avoided as much as possible to be compared with Bush. Didn't work out well.

I saw someone earlier in this thread say that "People voted Obama because they studied the facts, liked what they learned and made a dessicion". I can't agree on that. There's a group that will always stick with their party and then there's electors that have no clue about what their personal politic stand is. Like here people can vote for the left wing one year because they speak of 6 hour work days and next election they vote for the right wing since they promise lower taxes. No clue what so ever of the fundamentals of the politics but they pick something they heard from friends or was fed by media that sounded good in their ears - mmmm 6 hours work, how nice, and a bag of chips, choose to belive it instead of investigating the facts and the rest of the party program and just go for it. Thinking for oneself is so craving and it's just easier to pick something someone else already decided for and act like a shadow.
Obama, a good looking fit man not in his 70's. If he'd been a 70 year old slob with dreadlocks but with the same politic stand would anyone have voted for him? Looking fit and being black and having a huge smile earned quite a bit of plus on his account while McCain was presented with less flattering pictures in the media here and painted out as the bad guy. The picture presented counts! many people will not even care to bother but vote for the one looking most descent. So Obama should also recall to send a boquet of flowres to tv stations and newspapers because they helped, at least that's the picture I've got from media here in Sweden.

Also in that documentary there was this lady that switch political party when the gas price was raised. She and her husband now were forced to go in the same car to work instead of separate cars like they used to. And they both worked in the same store, their own firm. I mean, come on, she'd probably switch religion if hinduism came with free shiny fruit drop caramels. biggrin.gif
Which brings me to this. I'm not convinced Obama was the right choise, and when stating that I'm not sure McCain would have been either. Yet again, when will USA dare to take the lead in environmental questions? Noone would ever dare to keep environment as top priority in their campaign agenda since that would scare voters away, a complete show stopper. What a dead lock for world's health that is huh? What american president will dare to double the price of gas to force people to driver smaller cars and drive less? Who will dare to sign the Koyoto protocol that Bush declined because "China and India hasn't signed and they pollute more than us"?
I do hope Obama will step up and make a few uncomfortable decisions that will probably be costly for the population and probably for his popularity but neccessary for the world. With his charm and ability to convince he could pull it off I think.
If I could have seen Al Gore as president he'd be a teriffic representative for the health of the US and also the world and he'd presented change for the better already back in 2000 if things had worked well. Change, what's being requested now.
So... Al Gore for president!! wink.gif But hoping Obama will do the unexpected and surprise at least me positively. smile.gif


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post Nov 5 2008, 11:02 AM
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I got in late to work today sad.gif It's 10.30am here now and I'm so tired but so glad that USA made the right choice. Obama I think will sort out USA problems and will also be great for worldwide relations. For those that say he got voted in for the colour of skin that is ridiculous as just as many that voted for him because he was black didn't vote for him because he was black. There are still many around the world and in America that still don't think the country is ready for a black president so it evens itself out.

If McCain hadn't just been a Bush 2.0 and used negative politics against Obama he may have done better.

This is a great day for USA and other countries round the globe. Finally the right man has been voted into power. A man that can change how things are. Whether he will be able to manage it we will soon see but I believe he will.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Nov 5 2008, 11:01 AM) *
So... Al Gore for president!! wink.gif But hoping Obama will do the unexpected and surprise at least me positively. smile.gif


Oh yeah,we almost forgot about good old Al!! cool.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 5 2008, 11:02 AM) *
For those that say he got voted in for the colour of skin that is ridiculous as just as many that voted for him because he was black didn't vote for him because he was black. There are still many around the world and in America that still don't think the country is ready for a black president so it evens itself out.


Explain to me right now why 97% of black americans voted for him. White americans voted fairly evenly.


MickeM has hit the nail on the head.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Nov 5 2008, 10:01 AM) *
So... Al Gore for president!! wink.gif But hoping Obama will do the unexpected and surprise at least me positively. smile.gif

Al Gore would have been an awful president. Maybe not as bad as Bush but he is the biggest hypocrite alive.

People were more understanding of what Obama could offer than you think. McCain was not even slightly the wrong choice. If America wanted their country to go completely down the pan then McCain would have been the right choice.

McCain had no policies he just kept trying to take Obama down a peg or two with negative politics. Thankfully the people of America saw through his ridiculoud accusations.

I'm pretty certain that most of the UK are very happy with this result. Maybe now we can finally get our army out of Iraq.

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Explain to me right now why 97% of black americans voted for him. White americans voted fairly evenly.


MickeM has hit the nail on the head.

Black Americans get a vote my friend. Please stop being so racist. Basically you're saying if Black people didn't get a vote then he wouldn't have won. That is incredibly racist. Black people get the vote. They love Obama and what he stands for and therefore they chose him. That's the reason for it and he has won in loads of states with lower black populations so your opinion doesn't count.

He won nearly 150 more points didn't he? That isn't a slight win. And it isn't all down to Black Americans.

Plus he had to get Afro-Americans to vote which many were first time voters. To be able to get the turn out he did should be praised in itself. Isn't bringing America together what this is all about? Everybody deserves a voice and everybody a vote or do you not believe in freedom of choice?

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This is a great day for USA and other countries round the globe. Finally the right man has been voted into power. A man that can change how things are. Whether he will be able to manage it we will soon see but I believe he will.

How will the election of Obama be great for the rest of the world? I see this idea or thought frequently but just do not understand. He is clueless on forgein policy and Joe Biden is even worse. So how could this "benefit" the rest of the world?
Is the rest of the "world" is looking to this man for something? Help me to understand. If


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QUOTE (mjsteps @ Nov 5 2008, 10:12 AM) *
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This is a great day for USA and other countries round the globe. Finally the right man has been voted into power. A man that can change how things are. Whether he will be able to manage it we will soon see but I believe he will.

How will the election of Obama be great for the rest of the world? I see this idea or thought frequently but just do not understand. He is clueless on forgein policy and Joe Biden is even worse. So how could this "benefit" the rest of the world?
Is the rest of the "world" is looking to this man for something? Help me to understand. If

The rest of the world see it as America being able to choose a black president and being able to have freedom of choice although with only 2 major parties this isn't fully realised. Also McCain round the globe is seen like a Bush Mark 2.0. In Europe especially the number of people against the war in Iraq is huge. We hate the politicians who ignored us and a lot of us hate the armies involved. If they get withdrawn from Iraq then maybe we can respect them again where all respect has been lost. I think most European countries wanted Obama to win. And know it isn't to see a weak America it is to see an America that can actually get on with other countries rather than wanting to destroy them all.

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Explain to me right now why 97% of black americans voted for him. White americans voted fairly evenly.


MickeM has hit the nail on the head.

Also it says that the Democrats won more of the white vote than Kerry did in 2004. The margin was decreased so that shows that many white voters switched to Democrat.


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