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Obama or McCain?
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post Nov 1 2008, 01:25 PM
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Howcome there are only two candidates? I never really understood how that system works, and what's the deal wth the electors? I wouldn't mind if someone could shed some light on how (and if) that system actually works, if that's not straying to much off topic.

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post Nov 1 2008, 04:46 PM
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post Nov 1 2008, 07:20 PM
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I'm voting for Obama. Basically, I want to see our troops coming home. As a veteran from the first Gulf War, it's hard to believe we are still dealing with that mess...


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post Nov 1 2008, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 1 2008, 04:41 AM) *
I will explain it to you.

Republican plan - The haves keep what they have, preferably more, screw the peasants. Regarding the rest of the world, use them as we can, but screw them also, after all, they are all foreigners. Also keep paying 1 1/2 to 2 times the amount per person than they do in Europe and Canada for medical care, and convince everyone we have the best in the world, even though we rank 30th in the world in life expectancy. After all, we don't want to stand in line for 6 months like they have to do in Europe if they break their leg, before anyone treats it.

Democrat plan - Maybe the people who work their asses off for minimum wage deserve better, and maybe those who suck 100 times as much out of the system deserve a bit less. And maybe we should try to get along a bit better with the rest of the world.

You make your choice. But is is your duty to vote, even if one is nuts enough to vote Republican, still you should vote.

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I am completely familiar with Obama centered argument against McCain, which you have just outlined... I'm just saying... when you listen to the McCain centered argument against Obama... It becomes very difficult to choose...

And regarding this specifically
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You make your choice. But is is your duty to vote, even if one is nuts enough to vote Republican, still you should vote.


I don't believe in this philosophy... I think that their are too many people out there that vote for the sake of voting... and too me that is not voting at all... I think when you say this too somebody, and you make them go vote... they don't know who they are going to vote for, and basically wind up closing their eyes and pointing to somebody (metaphorically)

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post Nov 1 2008, 10:50 PM
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This guy gets it.....(although I still can't vote for mccain)...I do identify with what he is saying.....bigger government is rarely, if ever, a better solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A...feature=related
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post Nov 1 2008, 11:12 PM
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Obamas tax policy is absurd. He will most likely win, but whatever.

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post Nov 2 2008, 01:37 AM
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Obama of course,
and I hope he'll bring some real changes,
US administration is very complex thing
and president is pretty often just a face. smile.gif


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post Nov 2 2008, 02:04 AM
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If only Bush could get it for another term.
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post Nov 2 2008, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE (Duncan @ Nov 2 2008, 02:04 AM) *
If only Bush could get it for another term.


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post Nov 2 2008, 02:30 AM
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Voted for Obama smile.gif

I think we should send this poll to USA as an example for what the world wants tongue.gif


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post Nov 2 2008, 05:22 AM
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I just feel that the general public isn't educated enough to vote in an intelligent manner... and ....

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and president is pretty often just a face.


I feel this is a by-product of too many people that are easily swayed by the attack ads you see on TV.

bottom line is I feel that people like the idea of electing a younger, African, democratic president... and they vote more based on this than anything else.


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QUOTE (Ctodd @ Nov 2 2008, 05:22 AM) *
I just feel that the general public isn't educated enough to vote in an intelligent manner... and ....


That's basically the problem in general for many elections at whatever place on earth.

For example, our government/parliament in the Netherlands would never ever have been like it's current distribution if only people could vote who actually fully understand/read the different political parties view/statements/etc instead of just voting for a nice face, a popular statement (influence of media) etc.

Not much to do about this, but this is one of the serious flaws in democracy nowadays smile.gif

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post Nov 2 2008, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (N4085B @ Nov 1 2008, 07:18 AM) *
I'm with Noangels on this one; I can't stand either of them thus I'm voting Libertarian (Bob Barr/Wayne Root) and voting against any incumbant in the other races whether democrat or republican. The definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....we've been voting for the same two parties for the past 50+ years here and they both suck. They only care about staying in power and getting re-elected....no matter what the cost. Throw the bums out!



Generally that has been the case. But if you think that there is not A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE this time, you are not paying much attention. Obama is going to make some serious changes, more than a lot of people realize. If Obama gets 60 Dems in the Senate you will see legislation in the first two years that nobody even dreamed possible a few years ago, they won't be able to stop him. And it will be a good thing for the future of the country. No more World Wars to win in the future, we have to change or ways, and move ahead with the times, not be dinosaurs thinking we can bring back the past.

I have a theory on Palin, why the old guy picked her. Insurance. The Dems are not forgetting the Clinton impeachment. That was a travesty, to impeach him over that. Every president had done worse, the only time anyone had been impeached before that was after the Civil war, where 600,000 were killed and half the country destroyed, more serious times. However McCain knows that they will be afraid to do that should he get in, as look what would replace him! I still find it hard to believe anyone would pick someone like that as VP, but considering he is someone who thinks getting on SNL and playing a buffoon is presidential behavior, I guess it should not be surprising. People act like that as they appraoch senility.


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Obamas tax policy is absurd. He will most likely win, but whatever.

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I see this election much like how it was on the plantation when we had slavery, that is, if they had let the slaves vote about whether they wanted to be free.

Now the house slaves they had nice new clothes, and got to eat in the kitchen, so they loved the Massah. But most of the field hands, well they got whipped a lot, so most of them wanted to be free. But even some of the field hands still would have voted for the massah, because they knew, without the massah, they would all die.
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post Nov 3 2008, 12:04 AM
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I guess since I will be voting I should partake. Obama

Man I wish all of you could vote. Then it wouldn't even be close!

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post Nov 3 2008, 09:22 AM
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Obama here.

I think the choice for us europeans is quite an easy choice.. I believe that Obama have some really nice things on his agenda and he seems genuine, honest and overall just seems like he knows more about the outside world than mccain.

McCain.. Chosing sarah as VP after telling the nation that obama is WAY too young.. come on.. furthermore he's what 72? years old, and spend over half a decade locked up and tortured in Vietnam. I dont care who you are, that leaves scars on your soul. I have every bit of respect for the people who serve their country as the next guy, but i cannot help thinking that in this case being locked away for that long will have a negative impact on the world as a whole.

With that said, I can perfectly understand why the american people dont think it's an easy choice. The changes Obama represent is a big handful, and many believe that he will take away their money and what not for healthcare, schools and what not.

Here in Denmark, we have all those things for free. We do pay lots of taxes, but medical care should not be based on the size of your wallet. It should be every persons right. Just as education should be. Educations helps the future of the country. This is why, to me, the choice is an easy one..

I *KNOW* that i dont have as much information on either candidate as the americans *SHOULD* have. All i can hope is that ALL who can, go and vote. Then the outcome will be justified (whatever the outcome may be)

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I don't know how much here in Europe we will feel the change of the outcome.But for shore I will like to see Obama as president.


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QUOTE (Duncan @ Nov 2 2008, 02:04 AM) *
If only Bush could get it for another term.


HAHA! Funniest thing ive seen in days! laugh.gif


I voted for obama, i know you all just think im a kid and such, but i know alot about politics huh.gif


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post Nov 3 2008, 10:53 AM
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I think Rambo would actually make a better president that McCain. biggrin.gif Doesn't McCain have a book coming out called how to destroy the world in a year laugh.gif


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McCain will destroy USA if he becomes president. I hope Obama wins. biggrin.gif

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If only this poll meant anything biggrin.gif I will be sad and watch all the election coverage from Midnight here in the UK.


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