Modes, question
 Nov 5 2008, 01:44 PM Post #1 Learning Roadie - CHALLENGE STAR! Group: Members Posts: 275 Joined: 6-August 08 From: Austria Member No.: 5.646 Hi folksJust for me that i am understanding right this kind of thingis it possible to say in generalIONIAN = MAJORAEOLIAN = MINORthe formulas are the same in both scalesis this right ?thx for your answersHarry
 Nov 5 2008, 01:56 PM Post #2 Instructor Group: Members Posts: 4.565 Joined: 29-March 07 From: Fort Collins, CO Member No.: 1.439 Yeah, you are right. The Ionian mode is also known as the Major scale. The Aeolian mode is known as the natural minor scale. :-) QUOTE (big harry @ Nov 5 2008, 07:44 AM) Hi folksJust for me that i am understanding right this kind of thingis it possible to say in generalIONIAN = MAJORAEOLIAN = MINORthe formulas are the same in both scalesis this right ?thx for your answersHarry -------------------- www.youtube.com/Wallimannwww.davidwallimann.com
 Nov 5 2008, 02:06 PM Post #3 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.771 Joined: 2-April 08 From: Budapest, Hungary Member No.: 4.782 And we are saying NATURAL minor (instead of just "minor") because we want to distinguish between NATURAL, HARMONIC and MELODIC minor scales. The latter two are a bit different compared to the NATURAL minor scale(check more about the harmonic and melodic minor scales on Andrew's theory board if you wish... ) -------------------- High speed, low drag Check out my YouTube channel HERE! Here you can find my MYSPACE
 Nov 5 2008, 02:45 PM Post #4 Learning Roadie - CHALLENGE STAR! Group: Members Posts: 275 Joined: 6-August 08 From: Austria Member No.: 5.646 QUOTE (berko @ Nov 5 2008, 02:06 PM) And we are saying NATURAL minor (instead of just "minor") because we want to distinguish between NATURAL, HARMONIC and MELODIC minor scales. The latter two are a bit different compared to the NATURAL minor scale(check more about the harmonic and melodic minor scales on Andrew's theory board if you wish... ) thx David and Berko for the answers at firstat the moment i am trying to understand the way modes are built, step by stepi will check out Anrews theory board for the special minor scales :-)as far as i check for now is that for getting to the different modes you need to use the same formula as in tha standard major scaleW W H W W W HIonian + W = Dorian + W = Phrygian + H = Lydian + W = Mixolydian + W = Aeolian + W = Locrian + H = Ionianthe scale boxes for all modes are the same just moved to the correct fret ?
 Nov 5 2008, 03:11 PM Post #5 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.771 Joined: 2-April 08 From: Budapest, Hungary Member No.: 4.782 QUOTE (big harry @ Nov 5 2008, 02:45 PM) the scale boxes for all modes are the same just moved to the correct fret ? That's it! -------------------- High speed, low drag Check out my YouTube channel HERE! Here you can find my MYSPACE
 Nov 5 2008, 03:13 PM Post #6 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 That's correct - but don;t miss the importance of the root note of the scale. If you are building relative modes in the way you just illustrated, the root note also changes for each box. For instance, C Ionian moves to D Dorian, moves to E Phrygian etc.A slightly harder but more rewarding way to vizualize it is to keep the root note the same, and apply the next formula along. Of you play C Ionian followed by C Dorian, you will quickly understand the difference in the modes - its harder with relative modes. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBloodAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Nov 5 2008, 03:20 PM Post #7 Get to da Chopper! Group: GMC Senior Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK Member No.: 1.374 Yeh- i find that to realise what the modes are its good to look at the relative modes of the major scale- but to really grasp them you should compare each one using the same root note and treat each one as a seperate scale- taking note of the shape of each and how they sound.
 Nov 5 2008, 04:06 PM Post #8 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 22-October 08 From: New Paltz, NY, USA Member No.: 6.118 Great posts. Knowing the modes in both a parallel and relative is really key. I made the mistake, when I was younger and trying to learn modes, of realizing that D dorian, E phrygian, F lydian, G mix, A aeolian, B locrian shared the same notes with C major, and so the whole thing was no big deal. You know C Major you know the rest. Nothing to learn here, let's move on!!This was far from the truth. Relative modes are very useful, as it's very helpful to know the B phrygian is the "relative phrygian" to G major, etc., but to learn to construction of the modes in a parallel way it to REALLY know them.What really kicked my butt, was when my jazz theory teacher in college made us write out (by hand!) all 7 modes in 11 keys (with no key signature, must write in all accidentals), in relative AND parallel! This is 154 scales to write out by hand. This took hours, and many hand cramps, but man did you understand the modes after doing that! The next semester we had to do the same with melodic and harmonic minor, but that's for another story!It's also key to group the modes with chord types. Major: Ionian, Lydian (Major 7#11)Minor: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian, Locrian (Minor 7b5)Dominant : MixolydianThis is also a great way to practice the modes. Set up a vamp with your looping pedal (or band in a box, or whatever) on one of these chord types and then improvise over it with the different modes and get a feel for the different colors they provide.Have fun!_Bryan

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