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post Nov 5 2008, 09:46 PM
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Hi all there

I kind new here so maybe i has been asked before,
but i want to become a better solo guitar player and i like to know where to start;

what lessons should i take to understand how to build my solo on a track that is let say in Am?

Our how can i figure out the key anyway?
What scales can be used in that key?

I have tried to manage the fretboard and to study scales but i can't seem to find a way to recall these in a track.
So how shoud you practice to learn the right scales in the right keys?

Thansk for the advice,

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post Nov 5 2008, 10:13 PM
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I would recomend starting here. Im sure it has the info your looking for.
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post Nov 5 2008, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Nov 5 2008, 10:13 PM) *
I would recomend starting here. Im sure it has the info your looking for.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=15072



Thx a lot.

Will dive into it

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post Nov 5 2008, 10:23 PM
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No problem.

From what I have learned you definately want to try out exercises that highlight your weaknesses so you can acknowledge them and start correcting them.

I highly recomend Muris's Alternate Thirds Workout.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...picking-thirds/

Its a toughy but well worth learning it. Im strugling at completeing it at the target BPM of 100. But if you were to ask me 2 weeks ago with this lesson I was struggling completing it 40 BPM's.

I hope this helps. ALso would recomend following our progress in the mentoring program that our instructor Chris(Smells) is helping us out with.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...blogid=144&

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post Nov 6 2008, 12:56 AM
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You should probably start with andrews theory lessons, becasue I think there lies your issue mate. Learn the theory, and soloing will become much more clearer.


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yep,you have to start by learning the major scale and all the modes related to it.Learn the chords all over the neck and make sure you can visualize these chord tones when your soloing

when learning the modes,make sure you can hear their colours and know the notes and chords that give them their sound

I could go on and explain it fully but I am sure the above link mentioned will do the same

Might also be a good idea to write down a riff or a lick a day,to try and fnd your own voice.I stopped copying other peoples licks when I left the guitar institute as I didnt want anyone elses colour in my playing.I have reached a stage when its safe now to borrow ideas(thats why i'm here)as my own style is strong enough to allow me to do it.


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Nov 5 2008, 10:23 PM) *
No problem.

From what I have learned you definately want to try out exercises that highlight your weaknesses so you can acknowledge them and start correcting them.

I highly recomend Muris's Alternate Thirds Workout.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...picking-thirds/

Its a toughy but well worth learning it. Im strugling at completeing it at the target BPM of 100. But if you were to ask me 2 weeks ago with this lesson I was struggling completing it 40 BPM's.

I hope this helps. ALso would recomend following our progress in the mentoring program that our instructor Chris(Smells) is helping us out with.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...blogid=144&



i am happy thanks for your help

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 6 2008, 12:56 AM) *
You should probably start with andrews theory lessons, becasue I think there lies your issue mate. Learn the theory, and soloing will become much more clearer.



Ivan,

Thanks

I will do that.

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QUOTE (Noangels @ Nov 6 2008, 01:25 AM) *
yep,you have to start by learning the major scale and all the modes related to it.Learn the chords all over the neck and make sure you can visualize these chord tones when your soloing

when learning the modes,make sure you can hear their colours and know the notes and chords that give them their sound

I could go on and explain it fully but I am sure the above link mentioned will do the same

Might also be a good idea to write down a riff or a lick a day,to try and fnd your own voice.I stopped copying other peoples licks when I left the guitar institute as I didnt want anyone elses colour in my playing.I have reached a stage when its safe now to borrow ideas(thats why i'm here)as my own style is strong enough to allow me to do it.



Ok Thanks,

what is the beste way of leraning these modes/scales?

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post Nov 6 2008, 09:00 AM
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Start at the beginning.Basic theory(check Andrews lessons),but most important,you constantly need to play and practice.
Use slower backing tracks of the lessons you practice.


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post Nov 6 2008, 09:21 AM
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I started off learning the major scale and its modes using G major as the tonic to open up the modes in the neck.G major is a good posistion as A(Dorian)and E(Aolian-Natural minor)are two of the most used modes when playing over minor chords and as a rock guitarist a lot of stuff can be played in those two keys.

Start of if by example you use G major as your starting point this way

Play G major chord(triads/major 7th) in the 1st posistion-next play the scale in the same posistion-then tha Pentatonic-then the arp

Do this on every note of the G major scale going up the neck.Its important to visualize each chord with its 3rds/5th/7ths ect

Once you have that nailed,start off in A and play minor chords in all the places with the scales,pents.and arps

Do the same with each mode of the major scale and listen to the colour of the chords and what notes give that scale its colour

After you have that nailed,you can subsitute any arp being used in the major scale to add colours to your playing

good example is when playing in A dorian you can use C major 7 arp very well as it brings out the 9th in A and can be slid to the minor 3rd-G major triads sound realy good over A too and E min 7ths
If you want an easy way to sound Lydian In C just play A min pents/scales and arps and target the C note or its raised 4th

The key to opening up your playing is having a firm understanding of the building blocks of the Major scale,and the modes related to it

Once you learn that scale do the same with Harmonic Minor and Melodic Minor-just dont rush it.Take your time and see those chords and scales open up the neck



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post Nov 6 2008, 09:38 AM
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I believe the secret is in creative imagination smile.gif

I'll try to explain my thoughts on this.

Music, as well other arts, start in an artist's mind (or some would prefer to say in heart). You can campare it to painting, you see something and paint it, so here you hear something and play it. If you go other way around (first play it than hear it) that's improvisation that will depend on you technique and theory knowledge, but it will not be your own music smile.gif

Not to understand me wrong, theory and technique are tools, important ones, but they exist to help you play what you hear inside. You should not be a slave to them, and I'll give you an example how the theory can be useful. If you have a good knowledge on modes you will know how each mode sounds, and then when you hear a melody you may instantly know what mode it is, and with good technique and fret knowledge you can instantly start playing it. So it's really important to know the theory and to have a good technique.

But as I said in the beginning, the theory and technique are not enough, you have to develop your creative imagination as well. You study the theory, work hard on technique, but are you developing your imagination?.. or you think it's something that will come itself? smile.gif Well, it will not! You have to work on it. wink.gif

While writting these lines I found one link on the web dealing with development on imagination, with concrete exercises.
http://www.successconsciousness.com/imagin...innervision.htm
and there are many other resources on this matter on this topic smile.gif

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QUOTE (Noangels @ Nov 6 2008, 09:21 AM) *
I started off learning the major scale and its modes using G major as the tonic to open up the modes in the neck.G major is a good posistion as A(Dorian)and E(Aolian-Natural minor)are two of the most used modes when playing over minor chords and as a rock guitarist a lot of stuff can be played in those two keys.

Start of if by example you use G major as your starting point this way

Play G major chord(triads/major 7th) in the 1st posistion-next play the scale in the same posistion-then tha Pentatonic-then the arp

Do this on every note of the G major scale going up the neck.Its important to visualize each chord with its 3rds/5th/7ths ect

Once you have that nailed,start off in A and play minor chords in all the places with the scales,pents.and arps

Do the same with each mode of the major scale and listen to the colour of the chords and what notes give that scale its colour

After you have that nailed,you can subsitute any arp being used in the major scale to add colours to your playing

good example is when playing in A dorian you can use C major 7 arp very well as it brings out the 9th in A and can be slid to the minor 3rd-G major triads sound realy good over A too and E min 7ths
If you want an easy way to sound Lydian In C just play A min pents/scales and arps and target the C note or its raised 4th

The key to opening up your playing is having a firm understanding of the building blocks of the Major scale,and the modes related to it

Once you learn that scale do the same with Harmonic Minor and Melodic Minor-just dont rush it.Take your time and see those chords and scales open up the neck



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Thx for the reply on this one.

I doesn't understand all what your are telling yet.....

but i will first dig Andrews lesson for a better understanding on theory.

Parallel on that i will start with the G major in all positions.

I will take quit a long time (1-3 monts?) to recall an use them but i think it will be usefull.

I think backing tracj will help a lot that was also a good tip

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Go for basic theory first,
practice some solo/phrasing lessons rated from 1-4 difficulty
and always analyze all that you're playing.
Since you're just starting your journey you'll have tons of questions
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post Nov 6 2008, 10:18 AM
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Yeah it will take a few months but is CRUCIAL to developing inprov skills,once you have this foundation to your playing you can open up the musical road ahead with more ease than If you didnt know this theory.

Now dont forget that there are not realy any bad notes on the guitar while your playing,the out of box(out of scale)can add real colour to ones solos.The hard bit is to use these passing tones to add spice to ones playing and try not to resolve(land on and stay there!)on the out of box notes.If one can see the chords one is soloing over it becomes easier to target strong chord notes rather than clashing out of key notes

Dont be afraid to experiment when you get the basic major modes nailed.


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I remember when I had about 3 months of playing the guitar, I wanted to play lead so bad, I had already started playing some solos note for note, but I wanted to be able to simply play lead, improvise, and stuff.

The first thing I found to play lead was the pentatonic scale, it was like a revelation to me, I could improvise all of a sudden. This is what I would suggest to get you started, learn the pentatonic scale and develop your first licks around it, there are plenty of beginner to intermediate pentatonic lessons here which are great.

At first all the theory might seem overwhelming, so what kept me going was doing stuff in easy steps, and quickly applying it to guitar playing. For me reading a whole book on theory was very boring, so I only took a few things at the time and picked up the guitar.

Now the best way I have found to come up with good solos is to think them in your head first, sing them and then try to do the same on guitar, of course all the theory will help you do this easier, but get started with this habit now, you will develop relative pitch recognition faster in my opinion.

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