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post Nov 7 2008, 06:07 AM
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I had my first lesson with a live, in-person teacher this week, and the news is mixed.

The good news: He's a really good player and teaches well, and he was quite impressed with how much I had learned on my own thanks to GMC.

The bad news: My technique was all wrong, and he's very strict about one finger per fret, no matter what, and my pinky is crying. I know it's better to break bad habits early, so I'm glad I found out before I got farther along.

He did say my alternate picking was good. (Thank you IVAN!)

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post Nov 7 2008, 01:00 PM
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That's awesome to hear, nothing beats "the real deal", allthough GMC comes quite close. Great to hear that you're breaking bad habits aswell, it's something that's often hard to notice.

May I ask you how you did before you used one finger per fret though?


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post Nov 7 2008, 01:43 PM
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Good to hear?, what was wrong with your technique?


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post Nov 7 2008, 01:57 PM
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I'm glad that you can now sort those bad habbits out...and from now on, you can rock off the head of a live professional with GMC lessons... wink.gif

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post Nov 7 2008, 04:42 PM
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1 finger per fret is good approach but it
just doesn't work all the time,depends of what you're playing. smile.gif


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post Nov 7 2008, 04:58 PM
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There are 2 schools of thought, the classical approach, usually traditional jazz players and classical players, which are very strict when it comes to things like fingering patterns, hand position and stuff.

And there there what I refer to as the Steve Vai school of though, because he on the other hand is an advocate of breaking all rules, if you are familiar with his style, you will know that we will do things in a very unorthodox way, and that gives him his unique sound.

So I agree with Muris, I certainly don't do 1 string per fret. Classical or traditional players tell me I am going to hurt myself if I keep doing things the way I do, and I try to keep that in mind, and don't over do it, but I am also looking for new sounds and patterns and don't like to be limited by rules.

These are simply 2 different points of view, none of them is wrong in my opinion. As a matter of fact I really admire guitarists that have good hand posture, positioning, and all that. But I also admire Steve Vai, Guthrie Govan, and Mattias Eklund because by breaking the rules they've given you new possibilities.


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post Nov 7 2008, 05:04 PM
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Does this "traditional" approach of hand positioning mean that if a phrase of solo for instance is played in one box or two neighbouring ones, then when you're returning to the same note/fret you'll have to use your same finger again? So if we talk about 3 notes per string scales building up a box then it's not "allowed" to twist your wrist and fret with an index finger if it is supposed to be fretted with the pinky because that is the way the fret/note is assigned to 1 specific finger?

I'm not sure about that, correct me if i'm wrong...


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post Nov 7 2008, 05:25 PM
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That's about it ....

The idea is that you keep your hand in one place, and use your 4 available fingers to hit each of 4 frets, on only that fret. It can help a little with fluidity when done right, but it also really cements you into box-like thinking.

Also, its a lot harder to do this when you start looking at 3nps scales, and also widely spaced intervals, so I don't believe its something you can use if you want to progress to those kind of techniques, and as such is ultimately limiting.

Having said that, its horses for courses - learn both ways and pick which ever works best for the riff or scale you are playing, its never good to limit yourself!


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post Nov 7 2008, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ Nov 7 2008, 11:04 AM) *
Does this "traditional" approach of hand positioning mean that if a phrase of solo for instance is played in one box or two neighbouring ones, then when you're returning to the same note/fret you'll have to use your same finger again? So if we talk about 3 notes per string scales building up a box then it's not "allowed" to twist your wrist and fret with an index finger if it is supposed to be fretted with the pinky because that is the way the fret/note is assigned to 1 specific finger?

I'm not sure about that, correct me if i'm wrong...

I don't fully understand, but I think you have the right idea. For instance let's talk about 3 notes per string, lets look at this pattern:


--------5-7-8-----
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The correct fingering would be


1 3 4 1 3 4
--------5-7-8-----
--5-7-8-----------
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However I might play


1 2 3 1 2 3
--------5-7-8-----
--5-7-8-----------
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I play it both ways, but sometimes I play it the "wrong" way because I might combine it with something like:


1 2 3 1 2 3 4 3 2 1
--------5-7-8-10-8-7-5-------
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It depends on the sound you are going for.


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post Nov 7 2008, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 7 2008, 05:27 PM) *
I don't fully understand, but I think you have the right idea. For instance let's talk about 3 notes per string, lets look at this pattern:


--------5-7-8-----
--5-7-8-----------
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------------------


The correct fingering would be


1 3 4 1 3 4
--------5-7-8-----
--5-7-8-----------
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However I might play


1 2 3 1 2 3
--------5-7-8-----
--5-7-8-----------
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I play it both ways, but sometimes I play it the "wrong" way because I might combine it with something like:


1 2 3 1 2 3 4 3 2 1
--------5-7-8-10-8-7-5-------
--5-7-8----------------------
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It depends on the sound you are going for.



Yeah, sorry about my confusing post but that's what I was thinking about. It's clear now, thanx, and thank you Andrew too smile.gif


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Thanks man, and I suggest that you listen to your teacher but in the same time I don't think he should be too strict with rules. Just try to take the best of him, and include that into your playing, but also stay open for other stuff smile.gif


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Congratulations !
Good luck with your one on one lessons.
Post some recordings of your playing , that would be great way to check on your progress !


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post Nov 8 2008, 04:41 AM
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QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 7 2008, 05:43 AM) *
Good to hear?, what was wrong with your technique?


I was gripping the neck with my thumb along the side of the neck, he suggested it should stay perpendicular to the neck for the most part. I'm not going to argue about various techniques, I've always believed you should at least know the "proper" way of doing something, and then you're free to ignore it if you choose. I am certainly no Steve Vai, so for now I will do it the teachers way and if he can teach me to play as well as he does, I will be very happy.


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