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post Nov 10 2008, 03:42 AM
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Can someone let me know what the amps/effects used for that stereotypical Funk Sound(Top 4 string-Seventh Chords) I have a few different guitar modelers/effects processors so I know I can get close once I know what the basic sound consists of.

I know its a clean sounding amp, but was curious if any other effects are typically used(Such as Chorus, Delay, etc). I know Instructor Ivan teaches a lot of Funk lessons, but I didn't see any posted settings in his lessons.

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post Nov 10 2008, 10:54 AM
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Its often played clean on a stratocaster smile.gif Regarding other effects , wah or envelop filters are very very often used...


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post Nov 10 2008, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Nov 10 2008, 10:54 AM) *
Its often played clean on a stratocaster smile.gif Regarding other effects , wah or envelop filters are very very often used...


Agree with Bodgan, wah is used pretty often. You could also add some phaser to rhythmic part. When I'm playing some funk on my strat I like to use 2 and 4 position of pickups.


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post Nov 10 2008, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (Kuba Szafran @ Nov 10 2008, 01:56 AM) *
Agree with Bodgan, wah is used pretty often. You could also add some phaser to rhythmic part. When I'm playing some funk on my strat I like to use 2 and 4 position of pickups.


I am playing it with my Strat, and I know it is a clean amp tone(Such as a Fender Clean, or JC-120) - Does Chorus get used in addition to Wah. I tried a setting for my Zoom G2.1u effects processor that was posted for Funk(clean amp, pedal wah) and quite honestly it sounded nothing like funk to my ears. My problem is I know there is variation to funk sound, but I am working through a Book(Ross Bolton - Funk Guitar) and trying to get that real chimy clean Funk sound . Another way I can approach it is find a Funk preset in one of the popular modelers(like Pod), and translate it to my setup(which I am pretty good at doing), - Anybody got a preset they really like for Funk?

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QUOTE (Kuba Szafran @ Nov 10 2008, 01:56 AM) *
Agree with Bodgan, wah is used pretty often. You could also add some phaser to rhythmic part. When I'm playing some funk on my strat I like to use 2 and 4 position of pickups.


I am playing it with my Strat, and I know it is a clean amp tone(Such as a Fender Clean, or JC-120) - Does Chorus get used in addition to Wah. I tried a setting for my Zoom G2.1u effects processor that was posted for Funk(clean amp, pedal wah) and quite honestly it sounded nothing like funk to my ears. My problem is I know there is variation to funk sound, but I am working through a Book(Ross Bolton - Funk Guitar) and trying to get that real chimy clean Funk sound . Another way I can approach it is find a Funk preset in one of the popular modelers(like Pod), and translate it to my setup(which I am pretty good at doing), - Anybody got a preset they really like for Funk?

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post Nov 12 2008, 04:57 AM
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clean and wah equals 70's porn

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post Nov 12 2008, 12:03 PM
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In funk it is cool to use both singlecoils and humbuckers, although singlecoils give you that spankin sound when strumming.
WIth effects you can use an array of units, most commonly used is wah, but you can use autowah, envelope filters, flanger, phaser, anything that sounds cool. WHen picking muted notes, flanger and phaser can sound pretty cool.
With amps, you need a good clear clean sound, no dirt, any amp is good, if it has the right dynamics and nice cleans.


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post Nov 12 2008, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 12 2008, 03:03 AM) *
In funk it is cool to use both singlecoils and humbuckers, although singlecoils give you that spankin sound when strumming.
WIth effects you can use an array of units, most commonly used is wah, but you can use autowah, envelope filters, flanger, phaser, anything that sounds cool. WHen picking muted notes, flanger and phaser can sound pretty cool.
With amps, you need a good clear clean sound, no dirt, any amp is good, if it has the right dynamics and nice cleans.


Thanks Ivan - I was hoping you would chime in on this as you are the Funk Master at GMC by the volume of lessons you've written. When you all say Funk usually uses Wah, is that via a pedal control of Wah, or is it more of an autowah traditionally, as I can't really hear the Wah sound in the funk pieces I've heard(Nothing like the Wah you hear on someone like Hendrix or Slash). For some reason I've always equated Wah to the large pitch changes done with manual pedal control. MAybe I need to read more about Wah(Not something I use at the moment)


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post Nov 13 2008, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Nov 12 2008, 11:06 PM) *
Thanks Ivan - I was hoping you would chime in on this as you are the Funk Master at GMC by the volume of lessons you've written. When you all say Funk usually uses Wah, is that via a pedal control of Wah, or is it more of an autowah traditionally, as I can't really hear the Wah sound in the funk pieces I've heard(Nothing like the Wah you hear on someone like Hendrix or Slash). For some reason I've always equated Wah to the large pitch changes done with manual pedal control. MAybe I need to read more about Wah(Not something I use at the moment)


I'll answer quickly,I hope Ivan wouldn't mind tho.
Wah can be both auto or manual driven by pedal,
with pedal you are able to accent every single note if you want.
What Wah actually does is messing around with EQ's.
something like tone pot on guitar,it's cuts highs and brings them back.
Hit a chord and turn tone pot around few times very quickly,
or even move pickup switch rapidly fast,
you'll get similar effect and the idea what Wah is. smile.gif


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i get a pretty nice funk sound from my ibanez rg

the ibanez has 2 gibson usa pick ups in it (i think from a flying v)


but i think the funk sound is more of a technical sound rather than effects, meaning the effects help, but its all in how you play...lots of chanks, lots of syncopation, lots of muting, lots of random notes, sticcato (spelling?)...etc


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post Nov 15 2008, 04:13 AM
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Thanks for all the great tip. And Muris, that is a very good explanation of Wah - I have a much better understanding of it now.

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post Nov 15 2008, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Nov 12 2008, 11:06 PM) *
Thanks Ivan - I was hoping you would chime in on this as you are the Funk Master at GMC by the volume of lessons you've written. When you all say Funk usually uses Wah, is that via a pedal control of Wah, or is it more of an autowah traditionally, as I can't really hear the Wah sound in the funk pieces I've heard(Nothing like the Wah you hear on someone like Hendrix or Slash). For some reason I've always equated Wah to the large pitch changes done with manual pedal control. MAybe I need to read more about Wah(Not something I use at the moment)


No problem mate, glad to help, I love funk music. Funk usually uses wah, like regular wah pedal with the expression pedal, but often people will use autowahs, or envelope filters, to dynamically control the wah via picking. WIth autowah when you pluck hard, the effect reaches the trebly part - similar as you would press the wah pedal all the way. And when you pick the strings gently, the effects doesn't reach the trebly part, it stays low. Both effects are very cool IMO, and would use them both in my arsenal. Autowah is definitely more easy to use, but you can't control it as good as regular wah. Hendrix or Slash use wah in a different way than in funk songs. In funk songs wah is usually played on rhythm, not on lead guitar, and there is often no piercing wah sound, only mellow wah to give a bit of the atmosphere. Both Hendrix and Slash are major lead players and their sound is heard the loudest in the band, but in funk guitars are usually tucked away in the mix, using only some frequencies, and in order to leave the rest of the sound spectre to various instruments in funk sound, percussions, brass, vocals, keyboards etc. So guitar is definitely a secondary instrument in funk and giving that in respect it gives the groove and atmospheric padding to the mix.

Here are some famous examples that you might wanna check out:

Tunes with wah lines:

groover washington - funk foot
deodato - september 13th
average white man band - love you
billy cobham - stratus
jestofunk - say it again
carol williams - soul kick
clyde stubllefield - revenge
jackie lee - the chiken
cool and the gang - love the life you live

tunes with autowah:
groover washington - black friday
BT Express - If you don't turn
confunkshun - ffun

Tunes with phasing effects:
bob james - storm king
groover washington - funk foot

tunes with flanger effects:
roy ayers - love will bring you
o-jayz - for teh love of money


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post Nov 15 2008, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Nov 15 2008, 04:13 AM) *
Thanks for all the great tip. And Muris, that is a very good explanation of Wah - I have a much better understanding of it now.

mh


Cheers,I'm glad it's a bit clearer now. smile.gif


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