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post Nov 10 2008, 08:12 PM
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Hey everyone..

I just love this place. It is undoubtably that the universal language we all know and love is music.
All the people I have met and have been talking too has been great. Especially the help from all the instructors!

Being in the MTP with Smells had made me realize how much I love playing again. I pretty much now devote my entire nights now to just practicing. Where before I was just playing video games in my free time.

I need help setting up an agenda other than my current duties with SMells in the MTP program.
I want to be able to start applying what I am learning.

What I know so far.
- I have all the Pentatonic boxes memorized.
- Learning the Alternate picking/workout exercises.
- Bending and Tapping exercises

How do I start to incorporate theory? I have been reading a lot of Andrew's Theory Corner lately also.
Do I start doing a lot of improv over backing tracks or over my own rhythms?

DO I just stick to learning what I have now? Learninig the ins/outs of the pentatonic scale? Work on completing those exercises of Muris's solely?

How would you create an agenda of what I currently already know to move forward?

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post Nov 10 2008, 08:29 PM
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I think applying what you learn is key.

(but you already know that wink.gif )

I've learned the 5 pentatonic boxes about 5 times. I kept forgetting them cuz I never used them....

So whatever you want to remember, USE.



As for moving forward.

If you want to play original material, start writing.

Using what you have learned in lessons to create music that YOU want to play.

If you want to play covers, then do so. Find songs that challenge you and use the material you have learned.



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I found this backing a long time ago. I cant remember where.

Anyway... I know you dig metal.

Its in E.

Use your 5 boxes. The tapping. Bending. Whatever you have learned so far and write a solo to go over part of it.

Whatever you want. Slow. Fast. Your call.

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post Nov 10 2008, 09:02 PM
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I appreciate the response Jer. My ideas were to just focus on improving over backing tracks with the Penta Boxes we are learninig. smile.gif

Maybe I need to get off my high horse and start learning a few cover tunes. I was so dead against it but can see now(especially learning how to solo) this could be very effective.

Im also just curious where to go afterwords. It hard for me to pick out what to do next. If there is a hierarchy to do this stuff.


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post Nov 10 2008, 09:04 PM
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That's a really open-minded attitude to force your new knowledge into practice. Ofc, more techniques & theory you know the more possibilities will open up for you.

I can only suggest what jer has said. Use GMC backing tracks or different ones on the web, start creating melodies in one box, then in two, then try to move diagonally withing boxes (i'm saying this just because you've said you've already memorized the pentatonic ones) or move on a single string up and down. With every new theory you should experiment on the guitar, because otherwise it just remains some irrelevant stuff on the paper.

You are on the perfect track with Smells as a teacher wink.gif

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post Nov 10 2008, 09:07 PM
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Some dudes have fountains of original stuff pouring out of them.

If thats you, and you have your own music to use this stuff in, then of course do that.

If you don't, then you gotta play something right? Use it or lose it.

I look at covers as a practice for playing in a band with a 2nd guitarist. Your going to be playing over someone elses riffs sooner or later anyway. Right?

So fire up some backings and get shreddin!

THen use what you know/learn about chords to write your own riffs/backings and shred over those too.



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post Nov 10 2008, 09:33 PM
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in my head, playing lead consists of 4 things.

The 3 main ones are:

1 - know lots of licks
2 - be able to play them
3 - be able to create memorable phrases with them

Then there is:

4 - be able to write new licks.

#4 to me is the toughest one. What hasn't been played yet? Personally I worry about this one the least. Start building a collection of licks. Like a toddlers vocabulary. Add to it whenever you can. STEAL FROM EVERYONE.

Licks are like words.

Then you make your own sentences & paragraphs with them.

Again, just my opinion.


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post Nov 10 2008, 09:47 PM
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Hmm...

So the licks is whats needed? Im confused. Then why learn a complete scale then all over the fretboard?
I can see why its needed but why am I sitting here analyzing this in my head if licks are all thats needed?

I know this may sound stupid but what exactly is a lick?

/me feeling real stupid right now.

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post Nov 10 2008, 09:59 PM
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No need to feel stupid, I also am unsure what is a lick..


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post Nov 10 2008, 10:06 PM
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We use scales/modes/theory to narrow down the notes we want to use to make effective music.

Why stare at 6 strings x 24 frets and hunt and peck?

"Hey, these 7 notes sound pretty good together! I'm gonna use those here..."

Viola, you bust out Emin and play over the riff.

Now WHAT do you play? The Emin scale back and forth?

Not unless you are Rusty Cooley and can do it at Mach 12. Nobody wants to hear that. You pick notes and create little phrases. These "licks" are your words. The notes are the letters. The words form sentences.

Sentences of music.

Does that make sense?

Lick - I guess its a slang term used to describe lead guitar parts. Maybe its not as common as I felt it was.

check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YjWAfphgc...feature=related

He's firing off common blues licks left and right.

Are any of them original? Probably not.

Just a bunch of cool blues nuggets.

Its all in how you string them together.

what about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60XNiS-MQ

Is this one solo?

Or 433 licks all in a row?


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post Nov 10 2008, 10:09 PM
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I'll give you a short hint smile.gif

Pick a song that you want to learn, and when you stuck somewhere practice that technique you have problem with. Remember that technique is a tool, not the aim wink.gif


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post Nov 10 2008, 10:15 PM
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*Bump*

I added a bunch to my last post. Some video examples.


anyway, continuing on.

Say you are gonna improvise a lead guitar solo over something....

What do you play? Subconciously, arent you digging into your brain and playing something that you know sounds good? What is that? Have you played it before? Is it one of the handful of things you usually play when noodling around in "lead mode"?

Those are licks.

Think about Yngwie. Do you hear these recurring things that he always uses? Those are Yngwie's signature licks.




Check this out. 6th question down. http://www.freeguitarvideos.com/ask-peter.html#lick?

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post Nov 10 2008, 10:20 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up Jer.

I think what Im gonna do is exactly what everyone says to do. Aim for short goals.

I have learned all the Amin Penta boxes for the moment. I will learn this inside and out, how to shift the patterns, phrase with them untill I feel there is nothing else to learn in it. On top of doing the MTP and exercises that I am currently doing.

Thanks. smile.gif

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post Nov 10 2008, 10:26 PM
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thats no shortage of things to do.

I'm willing to bet that that there are thousands of rock guitar solos using Amin pentatonic.

THOUSANDS.



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I understand your problem and don't worry it is quite common not to know what to practice next. You learn the whole scales so you know the notes in them. So far you have learned the pentatonic scale. Pentatonic scale by itself is not enough, you must learn major scales, because from major scales you can derive chords. Songs are made out of chords. When you hear a certain chord progression you instantly know what key you are in, because every key has it's own unique 7 chords. Once you learn them all by heart your soloing will improve drastically.

I recommend that you now start with C major scale. Learn it by heart. It will be easier if you print out a fretsheet on the paper to remind you of the positions all the time when practicing. Also in parallel learn all 7 chords of the C major scale/key. This way you will be able to play over them using the C major scale, or C major pentatonic scale, since all the notes from C major pentatonic scale are in the C major scale as well. Record a couple of chords, and play the notes from the C major scale over them, learn a few licks as well, and apply them using C major notes. This way you will improve you soloing gradually.

If you have any more question feel free to ask I am more than happy to help you mate.


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