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post Nov 16 2008, 09:58 PM
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speechless.... in a good way of course!! I would have to moderate myself after sayng what I`d like to write, so heres the polite version!! "oh my that was truly excellent!!" I loved the main riff, sooo catchy! vocals awesome, although I`d like to hear them a little more in the mix, perhaps as Muris was saying also.

Blown away truly great!


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post Nov 16 2008, 10:02 PM
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Hehe thanks so much guys! biggrin.gif

@ Smells - that was polite enough - thanks! biggrin.gif I now realise I should try to get some other cd player/monitors - I unfortunately only have one pair here (nothing to compare with).


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post Nov 17 2008, 03:45 AM
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Been listening through it a bit now and i noticed something; The solo could stand out alot more!
How about doubling the solo with a track with more low end frequencies, then pan the solo tracks 40-50% left and right and slightly lower the volume of the rhythm guitars? I think that could bring it out more smile.gif


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post Nov 17 2008, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Nov 17 2008, 05:45 AM) *
Been listening through it a bit now and i noticed something; The solo could stand out alot more!
How about doubling the solo with a track with more low end frequencies, then pan the solo tracks 40-50% left and right and slightly lower the volume of the rhythm guitars? I think that could bring it out more smile.gif


Thanks Trond that's an excellent suggestion - the solo does feel a little thin (sound wise). I will give this a shot - also I'll try to see if I can achieve something with plug ins (I haven't really added any "fattening" effects on that track).

QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Nov 17 2008, 05:45 AM) *
and slightly lower the volume of the rhythm guitars?


Do you mean to lower them only on the solo part - or the maybe the whole tune?


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post Nov 17 2008, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 17 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Do you mean to lower them only on the solo part - or the maybe the whole tune?

Just on the solo part smile.gif


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post Nov 17 2008, 01:45 PM
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Great track Kris cool.gif


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post Nov 17 2008, 02:29 PM
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Awesome! That was **** ** **** *** *** ! An d the bit where you ** **** *** ** - I nearly *****&* ** * *^%!@$#^#$@^!%#@^$!#^#@$ !!!!!

Now I have that off my chest - I agree with what others have said but from a slightly different angle about the vocal and solo - I think the thing is that you have concentrated on the power of the riff so much that the rest didn't stand a chance! The riff itself along with the kick drums gives a hugely powerful underpinning to the song - maybe you need to dial that back just a little to make room for the vocal and solo? For instance, putting in fewer kick hits during those sections, or maybe eq-ing some bottom end off the guitar? There are a lot of options here, and just raising the relative volume levels isn't always the best way.

Once again, really cool, and I don't even really like metal!

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post Nov 17 2008, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Trond Vold @ Nov 17 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Just on the solo part smile.gif


Very cool thinking, I have never tried that - will do!

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 17 2008, 04:29 PM) *
Awesome! That was **** ** **** *** *** ! An d the bit where you ** **** *** ** - I nearly *****&* ** * *^%!@$#^#$@^!%#@^$!#^#@$ !!!!!


Glad you edited yourself there - biggrin.gif biggrin.gif thanks Andrew!!

Great advice - I will experiment and if I get an improved mix I will post it here again!

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 17 2008, 04:29 PM) *
Once again, really cool, and I don't even really like metal!


Hehe I was actually going to say that - it appears as though we have an over-represntation of metalheads - but now I just think it's people with a flexible music taste! (which is absolutely awesome!)


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post Nov 17 2008, 04:34 PM
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Man, that is killer!!!
I think your voice is getting better and better, I really like it a lot!
The first songs I heard with your vox were good, but now it's excellent, really!!!
Now you need to tell us what kind of mic you used and what effects you used for the vox. I think they blend into the mix really well!


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post Nov 17 2008, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Nov 17 2008, 06:34 PM) *
Man, that is killer!!!
I think your voice is getting better and better, I really like it a lot!
The first songs I heard with your vox were good, but now it's excellent, really!!!
Now you need to tell us what kind of mic you used and what effects you used for the vox. I think they blend into the mix really well!


Thanks a lot David! biggrin.gif

For this one I used a low budget TSM MT87 microphone and Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 (to get some tube warmth and compression/limiter).

On top of that I have added SIR impulse response reverb (free) and the standard compression in the recording software.


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post Nov 17 2008, 10:10 PM
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Man, this is absolutely awesome. Way to go, Kris!
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post Nov 18 2008, 12:02 AM
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Riff is killer. Definitely it does not sound like elevator music! laugh.gif
Nice job.

I pretty much agree with Muris and Andrew's comments.
Since there is not much space for the solo with this riff, what about considering making a solo as an outro? Here is a good example: The fire and the fury, by firewind.

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Kris- i really love this tune.....this will be my alarm tune to wake me up for this week rolleyes.gif

Can't wait to hear it after the few tweaks i've seen suggested- but great job...your singing has come a long way (in a relatively short period of time too- or have i been here that long?!?!? unsure.gif )

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post Nov 18 2008, 12:02 PM
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That was cool and fresh idea with the speed singing fitting the very theme of the song biggrin.gif

Not so much Metallica (sorry lol) that was mentioned earlier but I get RATM vibes, both from guitar sound and "Zach's" angriest vocals.

Uhm... when the guitar so to say hangs (f.ex 11 sec into song) I miss some Rammstein dingeli-dongely random beeping synth ..eh, synth beeps. Sort of like in "Du Hast" wink.gif

Wow, influented by Metallica, Rage against the Machine and Rammstein. The result just MUST be HEAVY! laugh.gif


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post Nov 18 2008, 10:02 PM
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Wow so many great comments - I am thrilled, thanks! biggrin.gif

I have now tweaked the mix following your advice.

* I have raised vocal dubs to get a little more power to the vocal lead, and backed rhythm guitars slightly

* I have tweaked the solo with a multiband compressor + a panned out octave effect to get a little more bottom and stereo width.

* I have added a little more punch to the snare drum.

I really wanted to go for some kind of Rammstein synthesizer effect on on the guitar "hanging" parts (bent notes) as Micke suggested. I could clearly hear that in my head + I love Rammstein. However I don't really master synthesizers + since I haven't used any in the song it doesn't feel right throwing them in on one single spot. However I am aiming to fat things up with cool synthesizers in future recordings.

Here is the new mix! Thanks again for all the input - personally I think this mix is a lot better.


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post Nov 18 2008, 10:18 PM
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Sounds better IMO Kris, not that it didn't sound good to begin with. smile.gif This mix fits the style much better. Allot more ballsy which sounds great to me! cool.gif


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post Nov 18 2008, 10:31 PM
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Sounds even more kickass biggrin.gif

I can't imagine how perfect this song would be if/when played with a whole live band biggrin.gif


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Sounds much more powerful & bassy now, sound feels "full", so, to sum up, kick a$$ song there Kris cool.gif


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post Nov 18 2008, 11:01 PM
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Well if you like it - thank yourselves! You are the ones responsable for bringing the mix up a [necessary] notch! Thanks! smile.gif


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I'm listening to the tweaked version and my dogs have all rolled over into complete submission... smile.gif

Kris this song so ROKS \m/ You did a great job with the adjustments... it's just that much more aggressive and punchy. I love the lyrics and when that chorus kicks in well, I almost forgot to breathe wink.gif The hard work you've been putting into your vocals is definitely showing, you sound great. And well it goes without saying how phenomenal the guitar work is. I love it!!!! Great job sir!

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