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post Dec 5 2008, 12:59 AM
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You have to pick stronger. No light picking in this music mate smile.gif Just dig down as agressive as possible and that will give you confidence smile.gif


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post Dec 5 2008, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 4 2008, 11:59 PM) *
You have to pick stronger. No light picking in this music mate smile.gif Just dig down as agressive as possible and that will give you confidence smile.gif


Ah! Then that was the perfect timing to find out that, as I've just been grinding away at trying to get it up to speed. I recorded a SHOCKING audio take, purely for me to work against each day - to show that I am actually making progress.

Aggressive picking it is then. Although I find that much harder, but it makes much more sense in feeling the note rhythm.

Thanks! smile.gif

EDIT: Picking from the wrist only is the correct way isn't it? Try not to get the forearm and sholder creating the movement?

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post Dec 5 2008, 03:54 AM
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Pick from any angle that makes you feel comfortable but your hand should always be relaxed, or at least look realaxed smile.gif See mine and you'll get the point. I mix movement from wrist and elbow, what's the bloody word smile.gif


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post Dec 8 2008, 07:56 PM
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I'm making progress! Very slowly, and much finger aching but with much more feel with playing a bit harder.

This really is a speed barrier for me, its totally into the world of the unknown at 90bpm, which is still quite slow in relation to 120bpm.

I feel (hope!) that it's a barrier that sort of just clicks after some dedicated progression and time, but at the moment it's slow progress.

I'm relentlessly practising the full piece at 90bpm, making many mistakes with each take. Would it be more efficent practise to learn each individual part at 90bpm first, making sure they're accurate and then attempting the full piece along with backing?

Or is it fine to just carry on playing the whole piece, and just slowly improving the mistakes.

This is quite the task I've set myself Emir smile.gif


EDIT: I exagerate a little bit it seems when I re-read this, by relentlessly I mean: Playing the piece all the way through maybe 20 times a day, in one session. No practise over the weekend either as the girlfriend was eating up all my time smile.gif

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post Dec 9 2008, 02:45 AM
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Here's todays 90bpm take - I'm having so much fun with this lesson!

Attached File  vinniemoore90_mixdown.mp3 ( 1.32MB ) Number of downloads: 198


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post Dec 9 2008, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Dec 8 2008, 06:56 PM) *
Would it be more efficent practise to learn each individual part at 90bpm first, making sure they're accurate and then attempting the full piece along with backing?


Yes, this is exactly how you should practice.

This last 90 bpm take is very good. Again timing problems but that's ok as long as you are aware of that. The whole thing is getting together and you have made a great progress. I am expecting to hear this take 50% better in a week. Once you get this tempo right 120 will be a piece of cake smile.gif

Be careful with the little bends in some phrases. They don't need to be exact half step, it should be almost like you're bending it uncounciously (just a slight touch).

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post Dec 17 2008, 04:20 AM
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I think I'm getting there with the 90bpm take smile.gif

Slow progress, but as I expected when getting up to this kinda speed. It's a barrier I feel i'm slowly chipping away at and making some sound progress, especially at least when it comes to thinking "this is easier than before". (Emphasis on BEFORE, as this really isnt easy! biggrin.gif)

So yes, I slacked a bit towards the end of last week in terms of keeping the practise regime constant, but this week I'm back on top of it and making some head ground.

Starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by the possibility of taking this up to 120bpm! I think I could manage some of it at that tempo, or at least I have in a couple of run throughs I've attempted, but certainly not with any of the sixteenth triplets! They are still well and truely NOT clean on my 90bpm, but like I said, making improvement.

I think i'm just having to get used to the faster wrist action with the triplets, as it's a different type of motion that I'm not used to... If that makes sense.

Oh well... Look out for the next 90bpm take by the end of the week!


QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 9 2008, 10:18 AM) *
Yes, this is exactly how you should practice.

This last 90 bpm take is very good. Again timing problems but that's ok as long as you are aware of that. The whole thing is getting together and you have made a great progress. I am expecting to hear this take 50% better in a week. Once you get this tempo right 120 will be a piece of cake smile.gif

Be careful with the little bends in some phrases. They don't need to be exact half step, it should be almost like you're bending it uncounciously (just a slight touch).

Well done


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post Dec 17 2008, 05:49 AM
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cool mate I am waiting for the next take smile.gif


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post Dec 29 2008, 01:11 PM
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Here's my newest take,

Bit sloppy still and certain area's I can play better - just every take I do I make a couple of mistakes, so inevitable that some would be on the recording!

Attached File  vinnie_moore_new_take.wmv ( 3.39MB ) Number of downloads: 191


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Right... I need a kick up the arse a bit with this. Think I've hit a wall in the 90-120bpm progression. I need to really dedicate some time to getting each lick clean one by one.

Thinking of only concentrating on four bars a day.

I really have to thank you for your help with me on this lesson, my speed and more importantly my expression and personality has improved drastically.

My alternate picking feels much more natural, although still needs some work. It feels like a fluid movement opposed to a forced one.

Such a great lesson Emir, keep them coming! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 11 2009, 02:10 AM
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great to hear that. I am giving you 2 months to play it full speed smile.gif if you can now touch that border then it won't need more than 2 months for sure. I am running my first collab, do you want to sign up? You can use some of Vinnie's licks there, backing is open for any rock style playing.


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Ok, thats my aim. Up to speed and played with style in 8 weeks.

I want to give your "rock ballad solo" lesson a go too. Should I just focus on this lesson untill its good and clean? Or would working on a couple of things be beneficial to each other?


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great to hear that. I am giving you 2 months to play it full speed smile.gif if you can now touch that border then it won't need more than 2 months for sure. I am running my first collab, do you want to sign up? You can use some of Vinnie's licks there, backing is open for any rock style playing.



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QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Jan 11 2009, 01:14 AM) *
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Ok, thats my aim. Up to speed and played with style in 8 weeks.

I want to give your "rock ballad solo" lesson a go too. Should I just focus on this lesson untill its good and clean? Or would working on a couple of things be beneficial to each other?


why not both and see what happens. Maybe the other one will give you some different methods and licks for improving picking and you can maybe easier get the old one after that. I think they are very similar difficulty level.


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Excellent, I'll get cracking on then! Lots to do what with the MTP and these lessons. You should check out my MTP section, see if you approve of my lessons cool.gif

I'll aim to get a video up fortnightly so you can advise on anything, thanks again Emir!


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sure I will


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